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Bear`s Best 2008 Golf Course Information
Bear`s Best 2008 by: ron717 
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File Size: 8.23 MB Game: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2008
Released: Dec 2 08 @ 1:04:10 AM Views: 16,381
Downloads: 1,927 Yardage: 0
Course Type: Real Par: 0
 
Player Comments about Bear`s Best 2008
General Member raylloyd7
United Kingdom
Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2020 @ 7:16:06 PM at | IP Logged

excellent course great fun and looks great many thanks for sharing

General Member Jpr
Wales
Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 @ 7:03:01 AM at | IP Logged

a very nice course the best and worth the download and a joy to play, hope you do more in thr future to name a few Loch Lomond, The Belfry, Wentworth, Glrneagles. keep it up.

Jpr

General Member jurgie
United States of America
Posted: Friday, December 5, 2008 @ 11:14:49 PM at | IP Logged

I want to be sure that I did not miss anything Ron, but I believe you released this course for 08 at the beginning of this year. I was just curious as to why the re-release? Did you make major changes to your original design because you were not satisfied with the first release?

General Member jimi
Netherlands
Posted: Friday, December 5, 2008 @ 3:27:21 PM at | IP Logged

No problem, Brian. But putting up our criticism for all to see allows other budding designers to learn from it also. If they take it the right way, that is. If, as a designer, you get comments from a fellow designer you should always take that as a compliment, regardless of the content of the comments. He (or she of course) has taken the trouble to download and look at the course from a designer's perspective, which is different from a player's. Lots of courses that I see from beginning designers show the same elementary mistakes. It doesn't harm to opint those out, I think. In the end everybody will profit from it, the players as well because they get better looking courses.

General Member gova
Australia
Posted: Thursday, December 4, 2008 @ 5:43:10 PM at | IP Logged

Hi Jimi,

I accept your comments and appreciate your response, but I would think that fellow designers would give constructive criticism in private and not let novices like me, jump to conclusions.

I also appreciate your innovative courses, as I did when you designed for PGA 2000.

I apologise for overreacting, but I believe there some people that have no tact or diplomacy, but they have designed some really good courses themselves, so they cannot be all that bad. hehehe

Cheers
Brian

General Member jimi
Netherlands
Posted: Thursday, December 4, 2008 @ 10:44:38 AM at | IP Logged

Brian, you don't get it. These comments aren't nitpicking. If you want to do a real course you should put in the effort to find out what it actually looks like and then try and recreate that as closely as possible within the limitations of the CA, which are plentiful enough. It is easy enough to copy the lay out of a course from a couple of overheads, but to get anywhere close to what the real elevation, vegetation and structures actually look like, you have to study it hole by hole. I haven't played this course, nor am I familiar with the real course, but if Ronbrug, who's a very accomplished and conscientious real course designer, makes comments like he did here, if I were the designer I'd take the trouble to listen what he has to say. Like I'm sure the other Ron has :)

General Member gova
Australia
Posted: Thursday, December 4, 2008 @ 7:10:12 AM at | IP Logged

Thanks Ron for the prolific output of well designed courses and I consider them to be of a high quality and great to see someone design many real courses which have never been tried before.

When I see the comments of two others, I realise what a thick hide you have to design a course.

I think the majority of us just like to play the course and enjoy it as is, without the nitpicking of others of the courses, even though their intentions are probably honourable, I hope?


Cheers
Brian

General Member jmeier
United States of America
Posted: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 @ 9:50:34 PM at | IP Logged

I have to agree with Ronbrug. Just got done playing this on the front nine. I did see a little bit of resemblence to the actual course, but was well off the course. For example the hill behind the green on 6(Which is a replica of the 12th at Muirfield Village) is not in play in this rendition. The bunker behind the green on the real course is set into the hillside which is actually cut away where the green is built on. During the Memorial Tournament, the gallery actually uses the hillside as a natural grandstand. The tees were also out of position here. The placement of the tees are actually set to have the tee shots carry both the water and the front bunker. On this course here, they are way off to the left side which does not even bring the bunker in play.

Technically most of the course was done well. However there is not any terrain work that was done outside of the playable areas of the holes. Basically the plot is dead flat. The planting looked to be carried out in a haphazard style, including many trees planted on cart paths. I did not encounter any performance issues, or any defects in playing the front nine. I did not continue after plyaing the front nine. There was just not enough interest in the course for me to complete the round.

I too would agree that a little bit more time spent researching and working on the courses would result in a much more polished look and far mar apeal. I felt as if I was playing on a CA wizard created course. I presonally would opt for quality over quantity(32 courses)

On a side note. The location of this course is just northeast of Stone Mountain, so there are mountains there. Not the Apls by any sense but mountainous terrain nonetheless.


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General Member ronbrug
Netherlands
Posted: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 @ 2:15:34 PM at | IP Logged

Vneyland, i dont think you looked at the holes , and didnt read the comments to well.
I looked at the pictures at the Bears best website, then i compared it.
Thats how i design and am sure alot of other designers.
THere are mountians in that area, so do research first before you write something you dont know.
His course has alot of elevations in it, and they looked great.




General Member vneylan66
United States of America
Posted: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 @ 1:45:15 PM at | IP Logged

Ronburg, this is a real course in Atlanta,Ga. no mountains that I know of there. logically it follows that the designer has to work with the pano that is available in that area. This is a beautifully designed replication of some of Jack Nicklaus's more famous holes set in the Georgia countryside. well done Ron. I,m a big fan of your designs and have been for some time. Ronburg,maybe think before you criticize next time.


Vince

General Member ronbrug
Netherlands
Posted: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 @ 11:38:08 AM at | IP Logged

Nice course, but not Bears Best how it suposed to be.
Hole 1 is surrounded whit huge mountians, on yours its pretty flat.
The 18th the castle pines holes, is nice, but the bunkjers on the left are about 6to7 feet below the fairway.
Not going thru all the holes , but all theholes looks nice and smooth, but missing the details that the holes are famous for.
Maybe spend more time for a coure, it takes me 2 or 3 month to do a course.
For all the holes on this course are alot off pictures.
Try to pay attention for the surrounding area.



 
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