after reading the comments on this course i was a little unsure as to even installing it, just goes to show how wrong you can be , i play advanced 3 click now, dry breezy difficult pins etc to make it as tough and as much of a challenge as possible , i found the course ran very smooth and very fair , i dropped only one shot and that was my own carelessness nothing to do with the course, so Willie all i can say to you is thank you very much for sharing this great test of shot making

Sorry all, as I think it might have been me that fired this up, but I still stand by my comment, that willie gets more flack than a lot of other people. not just 2008 game but in other versions, just my opinion.

Zb, I’ve been doing this for a while, and learned the game. You can not voice your opinion as a designer, cause you will just get slammed on your own work. My comments got so out of control, we created a fight club, to just go at it. Maybe we need a section on this site for “designers only” were people can give honest feedback and the general public can’t read it. Even let members of the community in who want to be a part of this. The only way to get better is to have honest feedback. It is up to the designer to set his or her own standards and levels they wish to achieve. This site has to protect the designer and can’t have people slamming the courses that come out. Right now you have been slammed. Very rare comments get left, like this course sucks go back to design school. At the same time that doesn’t tell you anything either. What you get in the end, is feedback that is screwed. Let say the designer has a lot of community friends, well of course they are going to support their chums even if the course is a goat ranch. Everyone has a different opinion, and not everyone is a +2 handicap. A 36-handicap view of something is going to be different, than a PGA tour pros. Real courses are different animal all together, that is were feedback is so key. The detail work that needs to be done, to get a course close enough to even EA sports standards, is very hard. At the same time when you see a course that is not even close to the real thing and people are saying best real ever, it makes you wonder.

I dont know this particular course, but I feel I have to come to ZBs defense here. Phil, the number of hours that are put into a course is irrelevant. Apparently this designer has not mastered some of the basics of course design yet. I agree that if a course is to be judged solely on playability (wahtever that means), these comments may seem a bit harsh. But for a designer theres nothing more important than input from other designers. Comments that only say great course, I loved it, though doubtlessly well meant, are actually no help at all. Unless you actually feel that this course can compete with some of the top designs that are available. Tastes do differ, of course.

Actually, I believe the feedback provided by Jmeier is of far greater value to Willie than certain people give credit for. There have been many designers who have spent a great amount of time trying to help Willie in his design techniques and although I have seen improvement, there is still some way to go, especially with elevation techniques, in my own opinion. Personally, I spent some 30 hours testing a course of his recently, taking and providing screenshots of areas to improve. Giving tips on design methods to use and to perhaps limit the use of libs to give his courses a better feel and theme. Although as Jmeier rightly suggests, there has been improvement, there is still some way to go IMHO and that is not knocking him, it is simply proper feedback, which is what helps to improve a designers skills and creations.

I enjoyed this course, nice choice of libs / Textures, And could not see anything to moan about. So thanks Willie for this course. I do not know what it is but for some reason people like to knock your courses, i have seen some poor courses from others but they do not get the flack that you get...one of lifes mysteries! One thing NOBODY can knock you for, your enthusiasm to make courses, and I never known you to retaliate on bad comments, keep making courses Willie!