Bruce
.. designing for real play always works for me ... I dont know of one real course here in the Frazier valley that does not force players to choose an iron off the tee, in leu of driving, at least a few holes.
...some courses are not for everyone .....keep up the good work bro.

I really do not see what the big deal is with the trees, sure you have some trees to hit over off the tee, but you can easily get over them , as for the rough on 8 it to is positioned so you can hit a 2 wood to a point before it then hit a shot almost to the green, its a par5 your not supposed to get their in 2 sorry thats just the way it is, oh well each to their own, next time i will put out a general warning if you need to hit over a tree off the tee, trees are far enough away to hit over them, and they are small enough to hit over on 11 for the par 3.
I will make sure i never put trees in front off the tee from now on, even if its their on the real course, as is the case with this course, after all it is supposed to be representing a real course.

You just cannot please everyone.

Challenging....but very nice course Bruce, i enjoyed...