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Hiya David,
This was posted yesterday in another topic ( Oceanico Victoria GC approval ) in the forum:
If we don''t hear something about CGX in about a week, We probably will start to slowly release all CGX courses on Coursedownloads over time.
So when CGX will be permanently closed, then we will start releasing all CGX courses.
So please don t start uploading CGX courses now, we will see later how we will do it.
You may have noticed we already approved a course, but that course was uploaded by the CGX course designer himself. |
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| If CGX does go down, and it looks like it is, the admins here should put the CGX courses here or the designer of the course. Not a member who happens to have there collection and upload a CGX course under his name. Thats not fair to the designer. Lets not bombard this site with CGX course. Put them up as needed according to the PGA and World tour schedules. |
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| "Oh and as far as JB is concerned without knowing the situation or the circumstances its not really fair to throw him under the bus. I don't know if there is possible legal implications as far as what he can or can not disclose to the public. If that is the case would anyone put themselves in a jam financially to break the NDA if there is one? I know I wouldn't." |
Sorry if that was a bit harsh. However, NDA or not a simple post to tell people to hang tight or that there is a fix of "some sort" coming would have been decent. The site was removed mid-tournament without a word, why not post up and tell peeps to grab a cold one and check back in January while they take a break, if it were in fact only a break?
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Again being on the outside and not knowing all the facts maybe his hands were completely tied. Even if he said or indicated something was happening and the site was no longer going to exist I honestly don't know what the legal implications would be. In that case if he was unsure and rather then having to hire legal council it is far easier and safer not to say boo.
I know some have had runs in with Jb and didn't see eye to eye with him but again put yourself in his situaion. A possiblity if you open your mouth and you end up in court or just keep quiet and have people think what they want. Not a nice scenario to be in I would imagine. |
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| IMO courses used on the CGX tour are the "property" of the designer,(in some cases co/designers) and it would be their call whether to upload them here or not. I think I have uploaded all of mine over the years, and I'm sure the other designers will be happy to do the same if CGX is indeed no more. |
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Yes Mike, i agree, when we are at the point of uploading courses, it should be done by the CGX designers or maybe administrators.
When we start to upload the courses i will talk with Jeff ( JSJarvis ) first, to see what the best way is to do it.
It probably will be a controlled release of the courses, it makes no sense to release 10 courses or more in 1 week.
Or when another designer releases a new course, then maybe it is good idea not to release a CGX course that week. We have some great designers on Coursedownloads, they release great courses and we want to keep it that way.
But we are not that far, it is still possible CGX will come back alive, no sign yet, but still possible.
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| All CGX courses have an A & B split. only the designer can change it to one course. |
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| to be honest that was something that I liked about the corses is the two pin system especially for tournaments. It is the only realistic way to assure everyone plays the same pin locations. 4 and 6 pins courses mean its a crap shoot. Oney guy may get an "easy" pin that is easy and another may get one that plays tougher. So even though your playing the same course same settings it isn't fair. |
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Yes that was something I was going to ask. Do folk prefer the 2 pin or 4pin setup for uploads here?I guess the 4pin has more replayability while the 2 pin course ensures folk all play the same pin in comps online.
TBH I don't think JB has any more clue than anyone else how or why the site went down.I was informed yesterday that Jim is trying to come up with a solution or hopefully some word on the CGX situation sometime next week. C:
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| Hmm now thats an interesting twist in events. Lol perhaps we should just let things be until there is an actual official announcement. A bit like prounouncing the patient is dead before their last breath. I have to admit after a week I thought there was no pulse but then again I'm no doctor and thats probably a good thing.:) |
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Sorry if that was a bit harsh. However, NDA or not a simple post to tell people to hang tight or that there is a fix of "some sort" coming would have been decent. The site was removed mid-tournament without a word, why not post up and tell peeps to grab a cold one and check back in January while they take a break, if it were in fact only a break?
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Er Sandie, The fact JB has not given any explanation had nothing to do with what I posted. The owner of this site asked for a way to start replicating CGX, I will give you one guess who basically spent more of their life keeping the CGX going, and theirfore had a greater understanding of how the CGX operated. RObC was The Tour Director and a senior Admin, but because he wasn't seen on the site on a daily basis, nearly all day like JB, no one has chosen to vilify him, and neither they should or better, so leave JB alone and mabeye, just mabeye, he might communicate with the owner of this site, providing he is allowerd to...
As far as courses, if it is left upto the designers like myself, Goodluck getting any courses over here created by jIM. If as Pete has already mentioned he was given permission to upload old PGAX and CGX courses, Then that would be fair enough, providing of course, the CGX Database is intact, since the URL was removed, the only one that may have a copy of it, may be Jim. If thats the case, exporting the courses over would be impossible, asnd would revert back to the actual designer. |
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A lot of people here are missing an important point. Once any course, by any architect, anywhere, is uploaded to the internet it becomes the property of whoever has that file. Possession being 9/10 of the law, so to speak. I, for one, am not shocked about the possibility of CGX being gone, and saw it coming for a long time as they were operating under an illegal premise since the beginning.
Anyone who has ever installed the course architect from EASports has had to agree to the EULA which clearly states that nothing produced with that software can be used by anyone for any financial purposes. One can only assume their intent was to prevent exactly what CGX/PGAX did for years...which is to hoarde some quality designers to produce courses and charge people to use them. Nothing else about the site was proprietary except the release of new courses. The money generated was directly related to the use of new courses, which was illegal.
I totally understand the position CD may have about releasing PGAX/CGX courses in the future, but the issue of needing permission or anything and the ability for a designer to "protect" their product (Course) is ridiculous. Anyone with a hard drive full of courses from where ever has the right to reupload those courses anywhere that will take them.
Bottom line, whatever the status currently, CGX was a shady operation from the get go which took advantage of many people's generosity. People should not have to pay to connect with friends for a game that is over 7 years old. There are a few quality sites out there that are, and always have been, free to use for that purpose and I hope the TW08 community can withstand the loss of CGX and that people find a home elsewhere to enjoy this game. I'd like to see a few more posts about moving forward without CGX, and keeping people connected as the friendships we have all developed over the years of playing TW08 is really what it's all about.
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"A lot of people here are missing an important point. Once any course, by any architect, anywhere, is uploaded to the internet it becomes the property of whoever has that file. Possession being 9/10 of the law, so to speak. I, for one, am not shocked about the possibility of CGX being gone, and saw it coming for a long time as they were operating under an illegal premise since the beginning.
Anyone who has ever installed the course architect from EASports has had to agree to the EULA which clearly states that nothing produced with that software can be used by anyone for any financial purposes. One can only assume their intent was to prevent exactly what CGX/PGAX did for years...which is to hoarde some quality designers to produce courses and charge people to use them. Nothing else about the site was proprietary except the release of new courses. The money generated was directly related to the use of new courses, which was illegal.
I totally understand the position CD may have about releasing PGAX/CGX courses in the future, but the issue of needing permission or anything and the ability for a designer to "protect" their product (Course) is ridiculous. Anyone with a hard drive full of courses from where ever has the right to reupload those courses anywhere that will take them.
Bottom line, whatever the status currently, CGX was a shady operation from the get go which took advantage of many people's generosity. People should not have to pay to connect with friends for a game that is over 7 years old. There are a few quality sites out there that are, and always have been, free to use for that purpose and I hope the TW08 community can withstand the loss of CGX and that people find a home elsewhere to enjoy this game. I'd like to see a few more posts about moving forward without CGX, and keeping people connected as the friendships we have all developed over the years of playing TW08 is really what it's all about.
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Anyone who has ever installed the course architect from EASports has had to agree to the EULA which clearly states that nothing produced with that software can be used by anyone for any financial purposes. One can only assume their intent was to prevent exactly what CGX/PGAX did for years...which is to hoarde some quality designers to produce courses and charge people to use them. Nothing else about the site was proprietary except the release of new courses. The money generated was directly related to the use of new courses, which was illegal.
I totally understand the position CD may have about releasing PGAX/CGX courses in the future, but the issue of needing permission or anything and the ability for a designer to "protect" their product (Course) is ridiculous. Anyone with a hard drive full of courses from where ever has the right to reupload those courses anywhere that will take them.
Bottom line, whatever the status currently, CGX was a shady operation from the get go which took advantage of many people's generosity. People should not have to pay to connect with friends for a game that is over 7 years old. There are a few quality sites out there that are, and always have been, free to use for that purpose and I hope the TW08 community can withstand the loss of CGX and that people find a home elsewhere to enjoy this game. I'd like to see a few more posts about moving forward without CGX, and keeping people connected as the friendships we have all developed over the years of playing TW08 is really what it's all about.
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Bill to be honest I can't recall who's idea it was. If it was yours thats great and it is a good idea. I know the issues you had at CGX and I do understand your bitterness towards them. As you know
I too had my issues but stayed on just because it was a place to play the tournaments. I respect your choice in deciding to walk away and you know I respect your designing prowness. I have always considered you a good guy and a friend and I still do. What happened to you and your issues with the site has nothing I feel to do with us and I hope you feel the same way.
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I''ll just say this.. As long as I have known Jim and Jb,(several years now) they have always treated me with the utmost respect and they have mine... What happened? I don''t know. Were just going to have to wait and see.. For now though, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt...
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