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If you really think it's childish, I will not ask why some blogger can comment on thier experiences of the last beta test.
Now, some persons on this site including myself are running on the custom courses, but no one ever did it on the EA official forum. That means only a very few people are concerned with custom courses.
And still, can you expect EA to put the CA out for the new game?
If Tim was so explained, he must have misheard.
They might have said like this, "In our entire scheme, CA will be released and custom designers are welcome".
And in fall, they will say, "There weren't enough time to do so in a perfect way, but eventually, we will put the CA out and there will be an all-win situation!".
But, if thier initial business model were going well, the Promise never be kept.
Some people are blaming me for having speculation, but without it, how do you talk about the newly coming game? Talking each other, "It's gonna be alright!"?
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"If you really think it's childish, I will not ask why some blogger can comment on thier experiences of the last beta test.
Now, some persons on this site including myself are running on the custom courses, but no one ever did it on the EA official forum. That means only a very few people are concerned with custom courses.
And still, can you expect EA to put the CA out for the new game?
If Tim was so explained, he must have misheard.
They might have said like this, "In our entire scheme, CA will be released and custom designers are welcome".
And in fall, they will say, "There weren't enough time to do so in a perfect way, but eventually, we will put the CA out and there will be an all-win situation!".
But, if thier initial business model were going well, the Promise never be kept.
Some people are blaming me for having speculation, but without it, how do you talk about the newly coming game? Talking each other, "It's gonna be alright!"?
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Custom courses used to be discussed all the time on the EA Tiger forums until they stopped releasing it with TW07...
What conclusions have I jumped to? NONE. I am asking YOU and others to not jump to conclusions because you know so very little about EA's plans. They are making a HUGE investment in TW Online, so just think about that before you respond again with such comments.....
And you are not speculating as much as you are accusing EA and myself of things that neither of us have done. EA is withholding information for THEIR reasons and since they are the one making the HUGE investment in this new game, that is their right. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is.... |
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You could ask the blogger himself :)
- likely he had permission from EA
Custom courses AND the various sites where they are available, are often mentioned on EA Forum
new CA and/or having custom courses available in TWO ?
- it would be good to see it
- if the financial argument can be made to EA, along with the value added to the players, then it remains a possibility
(my apologies - i've gone for years without using the dreaded "value added" phrase :( )
i imagine it will be a topic of discussion during the next beta, there's certainly been lots of talk about it on forums
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| I personally prefer the limited amount of information EA releases gradually. it is a very smart decision for a software company. I have seen hundreds of various types of software applications promise all sorts of things when they have been announced only to end up being cut from the release for a myriad of reasons. That ends up causing far more negativity than releasing information once the publisher is confident it can communicate. False promises are very detrimental to the success of a product. But until such time as the information becomes available, speculation or assumptions from the uninformed really do not offer anything positive in the direction the future product will take. Tim is doing a very nice service in providing us with as much information as he is allowed to divulge. I can also safely say that he can and has voiced his personal opinions, both good and bad about EA previously. |
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got to agree, Jim - makes sense to release info only about what you are confident you can deliver. EA have really done nothing here to promote such flaming - it is impatience of the users and speculation that seem to be the problem.
Goro - cutom courses are the most prevalent part of the game for me. I run a league which is played only on custom courses. I am part of PGAX, which is run only on custom courses. I hope for the same things you do. This speculation and throwing "blame" at people like Tim can only be destructive. The reason I said it was childish is because it reminds me of my kids (when they were younger) wanting Birthday and Christmas presents early.
They grew out of it.....
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OK. My apologies to you all.
I was in a kind of panic mode because it didn't seem to me that people were caring about custom courses and the CA for TWO.
If so many senior citizens here think it's a time to wait, probably so.
May luck be with you, great designers.
And Tim, I was rude to you. I was just trying to get you angry and draw some comments on the game. But you were a man of gentle. forgive me
And davy1960hill, I'm a daddy-o but also a brat inwardly, I must admit.
By the way, you'll win this evening, 3-1, I bet.
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Ok, to fuel the flames and keep speculation alive lets assume there is some sort of CA for TW10, how will EA benefit from the creation of custom courses?.
They could possibly have a CA that one has to pay for to download but then they would be restricting many of the custom designers out there. A more logical solution would be to release a CA free to download and use and somehow have a system in place to police and receive remuneration for all custom courses.
Since the game will be streamed the days of downloading custom courses to your PC will be over, so how will it work? I expect that custom courses will be uploaded to an EA site or an approved third party site that will monitor all these customs and users will be notified of new customs via a message system when they fire up TW210 in their web browser or there will be a link to a website where you register to play custom courses.If you choose to play a custom course a Paypal or similar pop-up window will appear where you pay to play. Whether this will be a once off payment per course remains to be seen. The one drawback to this method is how do you control the quality of custom courses as nobody wants to pay for
a course only to find out that it is utter rubbish?.
However this is all speculation and trying to second guess EAs strategy is a growing thread on many TW sites and is for the most part quite fun where there is constructive speculation, so we will just have to wait an see who will run with their tails between their legs or who will stand up and say i told you so
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Apology accepted, goro - thanks.
wizards, you highlight well the problem that I guess EA would have. To brainstorm that problem and find a workable solution would take time and resources.
If they do that, I'm sure a lot of people would be VERY appreciative ...... and buy the new game :)
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I don't necessarily think its what EA wants, but the CA IMO has definitely kept people playing TW. Without the custom courses it would become old very quickly I think.
When I say it may not be what EA wants, I mean that it will increase the longevity of TW games and possibly affect sales of new versions, not to mention add on courses that EA may wish to sell.
Sites like our own, PGAX, Clambakers etc have many, many members who play custom courses probably 90% of the time. Even on EASO, custom courses make up a fair percentage of games played. For EA to go down a route of no more customs would mean many of these players would stick to TW08.
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I totally agree, I just hope that EA see it that way too, but I have my doubts. I'd just love to see a new CA.
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i agree to Davy though. We dont know anything about the real version which will come up in autumn earliest. I agree also that i play the game online only the last 4 years and i dont need any offline version. The online playing with all the great friends like davy and lots of other great dudes is the best fun i can get in playing cybergolf.
Me and all the dudes who i know for years now claimed about, that EA didnt changed really much in the last 4-5 years in Tiger Game for PC and now we will get a brand new version of Tiger Woods PC game, thats what we waited for soooo long time. And believe me guys if there will be enough players i n the new game, EA will allow custom courses and all the items we had before.
Finally i signed up for the beta to get know how it looks like and how it works. I just hope i will be able to play it smooth here with my low (just 768kb) internet connection. And im sure that all the guys who played it online really serius like our Expert Player group will be in the new version aswell because its only a challenge if u play with human opponents and not with PC opponents, because the PC u beat very soon almost everytime and thats no fun for me.
Let us wait and test it and then we can say good or bad and not speculate about anything we never tried or even saw it.
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http://insideblog.easports.com/archive/2009/07/01/tiger-woods-pga-tour-online-what-to-expect-from-beta-2.aspx
"Beta 2, which opens on July 7th, is set to be much larger in size than our initial Beta. We plan to give out around 5,000 Beta invitations to beta candidates who have signed up over the past few weeks. If you’re not chosen to participate in Beta 2, don’t be discouraged. There will be a larger Beta towards the end of the summer and an Open Beta in early fall. In Beta 2, we’ll be introducing a host of new features and new content" |
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What kind of BS crap is this! What if you have slow internet or want to play the game with out an internet connection. You shouldnt have to be hooked up to anything...6 courses ??? You know what, they will not even be any good. I would take EA on a course design challenge any day. I dont even think I played any of the 08 stock courses more than once.
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What kind of BS crap is this! What if you have slow internet or want to play the game with out an internet connection. You shouldnt have to be hooked up to anything...6 courses ??? You know what, they will not even be any good. I would take EA on a course design challenge any day. I dont even think I played any of the 08 stock courses more than once.
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BS crap? It is the way EA is moving forward with their sports PC titles with TW being the first. In this day of connectivity, more people are connected to the internet in more ways and with faster speeds than ever. Sorry you have a slow connection as this game will leave strictly offline users out in the cold at this point.
No comment on your courses comments. Not interested in getting into an argument with you. The initial courses look incredible even in early alpha stage and the 6 courses is typical for a brand new "from the ground up" game. They will be releasing a new course each month and they are discussing the possibility of giving users the ability to create courses as well.
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BS crap? It is the way EA is moving forward with their sports PC titles with TW being the first. In this day of connectivity, more people are connected to the internet in more ways and with faster speeds than ever. Sorry you have a slow connection as this game will leave strictly offline users out in the cold at this point.
No comment on your courses comments. Not interested in getting into an argument with you. The initial courses look incredible even in early alpha stage and the 6 courses is typical for a brand new "from the ground up" game. They will be releasing a new course each month and they are discussing the possibility of giving users the ability to create courses as well.
As far as the beta signup, everyone who applied were accepted. If you gave them a working email address, you should have been notified.
TW Online, not TW10 is coming out much later than the consoles because it is being built completely from the ground up as a new game and new engine. They are taking their time developing the game because their entire EA Sports PC lineup is riding on TW Online. If it is successful, then I see EA bring the TW Online technology to Madden, FIFA, NBA Live, NHL, etc...
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