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| Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 at
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Wow, is sounding like a competition among little kids and making other newby designers NOT want to design at all!
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| Maybe it's time to ditch the rating system altogether, lol. I noticesd that one of the two PGAX courses went from 5 to 2.5 stars overnight. That seems a bit weird. My own most recent course has got all of 2 stars from somebody. That may or may not be merited, but our mate bbmayo gets 5 stars. Knowing his work, I really wonder who rates these courses and why. I think Boze is right. The whole thing is just too childish. |
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| Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 at
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| edited by: ronbrug on
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You better not look at the water on Outlaw Mountain.
The rating dont mean much to me, i rather hear it from other designers then from poeple who just shot +15 and gives the course a rating .
I made this course in 4 days, so it cant be really good. hehe |
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| Too late Ron, I already did. Now I have to go wash my eyes, lol. Seriously, i wanted to leave some constructive comments on bbmayo's course because I definitely saw some improvement, especially on the back nine. But that water around the 9th is still a joke. And a bad one at that. Unfortunately bbmayo has turned comments off, so I couldn't tell him that his first halfway decent course is probably only months away. |
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| Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 at
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| edited by: jimi on
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| Alright, lets illustrate this point for people following this thread. Heres a pic of two recently released courses. I wont tell which ones, lol. In both cases we are looking at the approach to the 9th green. Course on the left got rated two stars, course on the right got rated five. Now it would be nice if the people responsable for such ratings (;might be the same guy, judging from the lack of observational talents in both cases, lol) would leave a comment to justify his/her verdict. Otherwise it really turns this whole rating system into a sustained joke. It only takes a little courage and maturity :) |
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| Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 at
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I see two things , 1 birdie one par.
See 2 poor bunkers. lower then the ground.
On the left its a birdie for sure, not sure on the right.
Bunkers that are lower then the fairway, are not hard to get out, from the bunker on the left picture you can easily reach the green.
But its no doubt about it wich picture shows the best design.
The picture i see on the right reminds me on a desginer from the casesladder.
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| Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 at
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| edited by: jimi on
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Ron, I see you´ve been thoroughly indoctrinated about this ´bunkers higher than fairways´ thing, lol.
As a Dutchman you should know better. Where you live, you couldn´t design a bunker above sea level without creating a serious mountain. Nor would you have to. There´s all sorts of ingenious draining possible, as we Dutch know very well. I regularly drive along a road with a canal to one side of which the water level is several feet higher than that of the bunkers on the golf course on the other side. The distance between them is less than 50 yards and several bunkers are at the same level or lower than the adjacent fairways and greens, as far as I can tell. In any case, if it´s a fantasy course one can imagine all sorts of technological or even metaphysical solutions to this ´problem´ without it conflicting with the fictional nature of the design, i.m.o.
Now water that is not flat, that´s a different matter. I don´t see any way to make that realistically possible. The funny thing is that some people I know get all wound up about bunkers they consider to be at the wrong level, but gleefully skip over water banks that are far from level. Just goes to show that we all have our pet peeves, I suppose, lol. |
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| Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 at
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| Not really sure is meant by bunkers "below ground or fairway leve means", but I see it all the time in real golf? |
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| Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 at
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| Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 at
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I agree with jimi on the flat water. I'm a flat water freak to.
And it's really not that hard to do.
Bunkers, I won't get into that one.
Are we still talking about injustices? lol or not. |
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| Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 at
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Well, just woke up whit a huge hangover, i saw this agian..
I learned that you better not poste stuff like this , when your drunk |
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| Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 at
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| edited by: jmeier on
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| What Ronbrug is referring to with the elevation of the bunkers. The surround area just outside the sand itself is raised in a mounding type fashion so that water runoff will not drain into the bunker but will divert around it and into the drainage system built into the course. This may not be the case on a muni caliber course, but on tour stops and championship caliber courses this is standard practice. Generally when the bunkers are dug out, top soil that is removed from the bunker is mounded up an an area around the bunker to keep the bunkers from flooding. If a sand trap was totally lower then the surrounding terrain, they would fill with water in rain storms. |
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| Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 at
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| I believe we call the sand bottomed areas lower than the fairways.... "ponds" ..ocationally cement,dirt bottomed |
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| Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 at
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wow.... I didn't realize the reviews of the courses were getting that critical.... guess I'll turn mine off also when released....I can only imagine..... :(
Seems like the big picture here has become a little foggy....
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| Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 at
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Ok, I see whatcha mean about keeping the rain out, but what will keep this out?
This design stuff keeps getting harder and harder. |
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| Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 at
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I WANT ONE OF THOSE...
HEY JIMI....... :) |
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| Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 at
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| Thanks for the explanation jmeier. |
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| Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 at
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For looking at Jimi's picture here is my review.
To be honest the course on the right side of the picture, is a classic example of bad designs skills, it just looks horrible. More than likely I would not last more than 3 holes on that type of course. It has a big ditch running through it, which looks chezzy, the shaping looks poor, and the overall textures don't look good. The planting on the far right just looks horrible, it is the same tree over and over. The bunker also has a bad look to it. I would rate the picture a 1 and from just that picture I would never download that course.
The other picture it actually looks like the person tried to do some good planting work, the shaping of the hole looks ok, it hard to judge anything more than that. The colors look good, the picture was also takin with the good sun direction in the game. Behind the green it is built up with some houses which looks nice. The planting does have a realistic tone to it. The bunkers look ok and the landscape has some movement in it. A few more pictures like this one and I would download the course.
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| Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 at
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Embarrassing as it is, until I seen comments on your new course ronbrug, drainage never even crossed my mind with respect to bunkers, call it inexperience if you will.
So now I have been reading up on this, and it makes perfect sense to me, now.
My request to you is, would you be interested in making a tutorial on how you make these types of bunkers, because the ones on your new course look great!
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| Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 at
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It was not my intension so say that nobody makes good bunker, or only a few.
I was just happy the way the bunkers turned out on torrey, i watched the videos that are on the US Open 2008, and was trying alot off different things whit the bunkers. |
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