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| Posted: Friday, February 6, 2009 at
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I don't pay much attenion to the ratings, i rather rely on the meaningful words of a select few.
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| What happened to Jurgie...I liked his course analyzing! |
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| I also just love the lack of courage of the designers who turn off the comments when they receive an honest good quality review that does not reflect positively on thier course. That is so childish IMO. I know it is the submitters prerogative to have the ratings and comments on, but to have them on, take comments and such and then when a person give a very good helpful critique the designer turns them off. I say if you can't handle the heat, stay away from the fire? |
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Thats all very well Bobby, when people leave comments. All I got was 2 marks. If these people had said why they gave high/low marks then I would know the reasons. I may not agree with them ;).
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The other trend i see, is that if you design a real, or real looking course using the design principals of real world golf and you dont quite pull it off your rating will tend to the low to average mark.
On the other hand if you design a fantacy course that is so far removed from the normal principals you could end up with rave reviews from those who sit on that side of the fence.
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| Posted: Saturday, February 7, 2009 at
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| "What happened to Jurgie...I liked his course analyzing!" |
I haven't seen hide nor hair from Jurgie in a while. I remember a while back he was posting several support type questions with the caddie and so on. He may be removed from the game so to speak at the moment. But he was good from a player's perspective. I value the feedback I get from other designers more than anything, Roger, Bobby and others that take the time to point out both good things as well as flaws, rather than just plays good looks nice. I would rather have good honest critical feedback than a few looks nice type comments. |
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| Posted: Saturday, February 7, 2009 at
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Heres my 2 cents. To be totally open, I want to get most of my critical feedback during testing.
Hopefully by the time my course gets uploaded, any flaws are gone.
And I really do like it, when players come by and say, gr8 course, plays well, looks nice.
I think most people just play the game and come by and say whether they liked it or not.
Most people dont design, so when they see a course they like,or didnt like, thats what they will pretty much say, nice job, played well, looked nice, or, not my cup of tee, and why they didnt like it. Thats all I can ask for, and I appreciate it very much. And while Im being totally open, I love it when players say, nice job, played smooth, looked gr8, thats what I hope for.
But, I do welcome all feedback, from brother and sister designers as well as the general public.
I know what your sayen Jmeier, and I know you appreciate every comment you get on your courses.
I just wanted to put my thoughts out there also, for what there worth. Oh yeah, 2 cents, lol.
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| I do appreciate any and all feedback. the fact the someone took the time to leave a comment is valuable. I know that no matter how well I think I did on a course, I could have done it better so hopefully people will let me know. |
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| Posted: Saturday, February 7, 2009 at
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| Well said jmeier, I concur. |
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| Just my opinion...I am not experienced enough to make a critical analysis of a course design. But I can tell when serious effort has been applied! There are those who throw courses out there with no research or testing,and it really shows.So if I comment on a course,its usually from a visual and playability standpoint. I think that if someone really wants to help a designer progress,it needs to be done more privately. Send them a private message..ie. your course..Tell them where they can improve the most first! This is a great hobby,but it does take some skill! Skills that can be learned from advice from the professional designers! Thanks..PdLegend |
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Im catching a trend here......
I am the one who set up the meaning behind what each rating is and they are as followed.
1 = The Course Needs Work
2 = Getting There
3 = Nice Job
4 = Excellent
5 = Masterpiece
Now to say that a one is bad because it is the lowest possible mark you can get is an injustice to someone who rated your course. IF YOUR COURSE gets a one then its because someone feels it needs work.
In 10 years I can count on my fingers how many Masterpiece courses have been released. So what may be your idea as a Masterpiece is greatly different than what others may view.
Im still waiting on the person to complain because someone OVER RATED their course, I mean I want screaming, totally irate, throwing the keyboard upset about it. Ive seen it happen the other way around, to low should be the same as to high. |
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Hey TB,
I love the rating system and feel my courses have been justly rated, and possibly overrated at some points. The problem I have with the rating system is when people are rating courses without playing them. I said in the beginning that it was purely speculation, but I have reason to believe that some people are rating courses bad to make theirs look better. I think this is being done by one person with several different user names, and whenever they release the course they rate all the ones around it badly. I don't want to name any names and I obviously can't prove it. It just seems like something to look at. (Or maybe I'm just watching too many crime TV shows lol)
Regardless, I've said all along it's just a game. I don't think it's a big deal, I just felt bad for a few extremely well-respected designers that I know who had their course dragged through the mud by the ratings system.
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The other factor which may influence ratings is each individuals particular preference in type of course, some may prefer courses with a lot of elevation and would be inclined to be slightly biased in favour of this type of course over one that was rather on the flat side.
I personally favour open parkland and links style courses over tight, tunnel and target type courses and although i try to comment and rate a course on it's design merits alone there is always that nagging presence in my subconcious to give a links syle course one more mark than the other. |
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I think Bobby Bolin has it spot on. There is someone deliberately marking courses down for their own agenda (whatever that is). Admin must be able to tellN who this person is?
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http://www.coursedownloads.com/whoswho.asp
OK here ya go, and dont try counting the question marks to figure out who someone is, there generated randomly every time the page reloads.
Im also deleting all votes on courses that were given by the architects or part of an architect team, and if they show up again Im changing it to a 1. 378 votes have now been deleted.
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Yup your right....those votes have been removed.
After going through and cleaning up the votes here are the before numbers.
Average Course Rating is: 3.645
Total Votes: 5,700
1: 729
2: 356
3: 816
4: 2,110
5: 1,689
...And After...
Average Course Rating is: 3.665
Total Votes: 4,716
1: 559
2: 272
3: 658
4: 1,929
5: 1,298
As you can see there were almost 1,000 votes coming from duplicate account holders. I haven't went through and banned them YET. So as you can see the total number of 5s and 1s droped about equally, which is why the avg rating did not change much.
NOW if your course rating changed ALOT, then you really made someone mad, or have alot of really cool friends. |
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Nice job.
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| Lol. Good deal, get em TruBlu. |
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| SWEET... Thanks for that TBM.... |
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