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I think there is some interest in what you describe, but I think it might be a ways off at this point because they are focusing on the PC game first, then they will be looking for other opportunities. It would be nice to see a TW for Mobile devices that do the game justice.... |
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| So Divot, how much does EA pay and what kind of benefits do they offer. Okay, now that your mad, I do respect your opinion. You like what you see, okay. I'm not gonna tell you why you are wrong, because I'm not qualified to do that. I don't like what I've seen so far. Just don't tell me I'm wrong, because you are not qualified to do so. Just because I don't like what I've seen, doesn't mean that I won't like it if they address my concerns. However, most of my concerns are community wide concerns and I haven't seen anywhere that EA has addressed those issues. Ea has a long history of no listening to the pc community, so just because they say that they are listening now, I'm suppose to swallow it hook, line, and sinker. I'm not the easy anymore. I am keeping an open mind with this, and I am willing to give EA a chance. That's why I signed up for the beta, but I'm not impressed right now. I think one of my biggest problems is that it is browser based. You basically have to pay for something that you never have. What I mean by that, is that if I ever lose my internet access, then I lose my ability to play a game that I paid for. If I pay for something, I what to be able to use it whenever I want to. With the browser based game, there are alot of factors that are beyond my control that could keep me from playing. I will watch how this progresses, but to win me over, EA has alot of work left to do, and they may do it. I am just sceptical given EA's track record with the pc community. I do hope that they have changed their ways, but it's a early to say for sure. Divot, please let us voice and vent, and don't tell why we are wrong. |
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| "Divot, please let us voice and vent, and don't tell why we are wrong." |
I haven't. Not once. All I have said is that you and others are basing your comments on a very unfinished product. I respect that you and others don't like what you see now. I GET IT. However, this game has a long way to go with a TW Dev Team that has a fresh and new outlook and attitude towards the TW PC community. This is all I am trying to say.... |
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"However, most of my concerns are community wide concerns and I haven't seen anywhere that EA has addressed those issues. Ea has a long history of no listening to the pc community, so just because they say that they are listening now, I'm suppose to swallow it hook, line, and sinker.
I am just sceptical given EA's track record with the pc community. I do hope that they have changed their ways, but it's a early to say for sure." |
Not sure what specific "community-wide issues" are being referred to here, however with regard to the "listening" statement, I would suggest that as EA has openly invited the whole community to sign up for what seems like a series of BETA's, I would suggest they are in fact listening and doing so with a lot of enthusiasm.
With the creation of a completely new idea such as TWO, there will always be a risk that one BETA may not be as good as the previous.....when additional changes are made, there can be the situation where no-one knows what effect they will have on the previous work....hence testing ie: BETAs.
I think the approach EA are taking with this new game, is a very clear sign that they want the community involved and are in fact, listening intently to what the community is saying/suggesting.
People will always have opinion and that is very healthy, however it is also IMHO a good idea to keep an open mind where BETA testing is involved. Just taking custom course design as a relative example, I have often made changes to a course not knowing whether those changes have affected the rest of the design somewhere and hence we have testers who are in the community to help designers find out.
I personally thought the first BETA version I tested of TWO, was a very encouraging start. This most recent BETA, I was less impressed, however I am confident that EA will have realised the issues for themselves on listening to the community and that the changes/improvements they now make, will create a BETA that surpasses the quality and gaming experience of the first BETA's.
I think instead of aiming frustration at one guy here, it may be better to feedback that frustration (in a constructive manner with possible solutions instead of just gripes) to EA themselves. Maybe this has been done and if so, great. Just give EA a bit of time to work on any feedback...Rome wasn't built in a day! |
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The MP Beta has been released to a limited number of previous TWO testers and the improvements from Beta 3 are remarkable....I'll just leave it at that.
The Beta was out for about 24 hours before they released an update that fixed yet another group of issues with the game. THIS is a major feature of TW Online that TW PC has never had and I think it will be a step change improvement. Not to mention that we are able to chat in-game with the EA Dev Team and give them feedback there as well as the Beta forum..... |
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| Me too! lol... |
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All quiet on the TW10 front. Has it been shelved?
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| Posted: Thursday, December 3, 2009 at
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| Boy I hope so... how bout TW 08 version 2 with improved CA lol |
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| Not in the least bit. Just ifnished the 4th beta on Tuesday. Singnificant improvements keep happening. |
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| Posted: Saturday, December 5, 2009 at
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"All quiet on the TWO front. Has it been shelved?
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Fixed. There is no TW10 for PC.
And the answer is absolutely not. Like jmeier states above, significant improvements with each beta and the Open Beta is set to release sometime in early January. Due to community feedback and EA's understanding of the TW PC community's desires, they are re-prioritizing a number of features from TW 08 PC and bringing those forward as quickly as possible. It is their publicly stated intent to surpass TW08 PC and every other PC Golf game in features and gameplay in the forseeable future.
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I have to respond. We know about EA's desire to surpass TW08 and any other golf sim. How about trying to MATCH the TW08 level? Improvements continue fine, but until they can produce the following 6 items, its all speculation, blind hope, and an expected future abandonment of the TW08 community in the EASO format an present online play.
2010 needs these improvements.
1)A CA feature for designers to creat their visions.
2)Have the ability to have over 700+ courses to play........isn't it nice to have 2/3 designs each week to play?
3)more than 1 play level? how about just 3, novice, advanced, expert?
4)an equal putting model like TW08, expert level, or the grid. Not the pinball moving arrow lights I see on playstation 3 Tiger game.
5)Graphics that EQUAL let alone exceed my present 512mb video performance.
6)The "feel" of playing trueswing without a graph like feature to hit!
The above needs to be addressed to "match" not even surpass TW08 for 2010. I have kept this "non personal" but until I see improvements in these areas, it seems to me difficult for me to eagerly anticipate the 2010 game. I have only played a round with the beta 3.
These are HUGE needs, and not nitpicking, and what makes TW08 so special. To ignore them and talk about tournaments, and facebook like features, misses the essence of TW08, also an EA game. This is just my opinion. EA, please work on those 6, the most important improvements.
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"I have to respond. We know about EA's desire to surpass TW08 and any other golf sim. How about trying to MATCH the TW08 level? Improvements continue fine, but until they can produce the following 6 items, its all speculation, blind hope, and an expected future abandonment of the TW08 community in the EASO format an present online play.
2010 needs these improvements.
1)A CA feature for designers to creat their visions.
2)Have the ability to have over 700+ courses to play........isn't it nice to have 2/3 designs each week to play?
3)more than 1 play level? how about just 3, novice, advanced, expert?
4)an equal putting model like TW08, expert level, or the grid. Not the pinball moving arrow lights I see on playstation 3 Tiger game.
5)Graphics that EQUAL let alone exceed my present 512mb video performance.
6)The "feel" of playing trueswing without a graph like feature to hit!
The above needs to be addressed to "match" not even surpass TW08 for 2010. I have kept this "non personal" but until I see improvements in these areas, it seems to me difficult for me to eagerly anticipate the 2010 game. I have only played a round with the beta 3.
These are HUGE needs, and not nitpicking, and what makes TW08 so special. To ignore them and talk about tournaments, and facebook like features, misses the essence of TW08, also an EA game. This is just my opinion. EA, please work on those 6, the most important improvements." |
EA is already addressing these questions in the TWO forum.
http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/categories/show/174.page
1) On EA's radar, but there are some legal and technical hurdles to overcome before it can be a reality. However, EA has stated they understand what a CA means to the TW PC community.
2) See above. They get it, but it can't and won't happen overnight.
3) They have already stated that the Open Beta will have Advanced and Expert gameplay improvements, most of which are already in TW08 and some of which are new (new aiming feature).
4) I see nothing wrong with the putting model as is other than I do not think it has any penalty for mis-hits like pushed and pulled putts. Gridless green options are being implemented for Advanced and Expert difficulties. And quite frankly, having played the TW10 360 and TWO games in the same day, I disagree that with your PS3 putting analogy.
5) EA has stated publicly that it wants to increase the graphics representation to include everything that TW08 does (3D grass, etc...) bu they also have to deliver a game that the mass market can play on laptops and less powerful PC's anywhere, anytime. As they get better optimization and Dev Tools from Unity, these kinds of features can be added for those with the horsepower to run them properly. Again, this takes time with a brand new game built from the ground up.
6) TrueSwing in TWO does not have a graph-like feature to hit with except for the putting which can be disabled in the game now and will be disabled for Expert difficulty.
At the end of the day, many in the TW PC community are having a hard time grasping the concept that TWO will be an evolving and improving game based upon community user feedback. The TW Beta community has already had a tremendous impact on the direction of the game. That being said, if you are truly interested in having a TW PC version meet, then surpass TW08 in features and gameplay, why aren't you and others here posting in the TWO forums to let EA know how you feel? Unlike previous TW PC Dev Teams, THIS ONE is interested in your feedback on TWO now as well as in the future. It has been a LONG time since TW PC had this level (if ever) of Dev involvement and interaction. You aren't going to get their attention posting here and not in the TWO forums..... |
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Certaintly better than expected reply, thanks DM.
I am a consumer , I leave it to others to make a product I will invest in or use. I do not have the overwhelming desire or time to make the game the best for the community, its clear what that is, you and they know. Why state the obvious? Weekly new designs, CA tool, playable feel for trueswing like TW08 and not a timed meter to putt or moving arrows, please.
Again, I wish the same input and efforts were spent trying to have EA keep TW08 EASO online, to continue for those that purchased the game. That would be a worthwhile venture for the present community. I know there will be Himachi or Clambaker tournys to enjoy.
This is not just my thoughts, but 100% of the folks I play online and who have the beta versions. So thats a nice sample size although small. But they do hope 2010 will get better so they can play it.
Again thanks for your vigilant watch over this forum, it seems minute by minute, and your part in making the 2010 better than it would have been. But that is not enough if 2010 does not match let alone surpass TW08. IMO.
What ever happened to enjoying what you have? But it seems politics, corporate profits, and power hungry big brother needs to tell you what you need and will like in a wonderful high tech package. Change is the word of the day! lol How is that working out? Oh and you mave not have an "option" at some point, but that will be for the general good they say and you will learn to play along.
Again, thanks for your response, no need for a reply or last word? ya think? break the mold.
I love that old fable..."The Emperor's New Clothes" a wonderful analogy/metaphor for the 2010 story IMO.
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| Just as well, there has been no real update in the game for a few years. One update I would like to see is the ability to set PGA Tour games with add on courses not just the courses that came with the game. |
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| Do these arc shots actually appear in the game when you are playing with other people, and if so why? It looks like some 80's arcade game. I think that would get really annoying very quickly. |
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| "Do these arc shots actually appear in the game when you are playing with other people, and if so why? It looks like some 80's arcade game. I think that would get really annoying very quickly." |
You can turn them off and EA is working on developing a true Turn Based MP feature after the release of the game. |
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