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| I see a different aspect to look at here. Didn't EASports create this game to be revised each year so they would have control over making money every year of the game which is why they gave online play for free after 04 ( for free meaning they had free online play tckets that came with the game when you bought it) but they decided to charge the fee into the game price. Now they want to take that away after they created this mess. I think that CA had a part in this as the public was making better courses than EA and EA wasn't getting anything out of it. It's deeper here than we all think. Also the EA hate bashing didn't help. But since I'm not a course designer or a site administrater somewhere, my opinion is junk. This will no doubt infuriate someone for my trying to see things that may be there outside the box. Had to say it anyways. Here's another silly idea. EA can sell the game to another designer that would be willing to continue it for the PC. Wish i was rich enuff to get involved. All I can afford is an idea. |
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| i still dont see a problem here if 2010 is crap and comes with no ca whats to stop everybody just keep playin 08 and im sure other sites will appear for us to continue playing it online |
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| Why don't they just supply us with a ca/ce for 08? Then they can go on without us. I'm sure this game can go on without ea. |
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"I have one simple question.
Why are you playing TW08 ?
TW06 has CA and CE, and it has no significant bugs.
And lots of you say there's only little differences between 06 and 08.
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Seems like a fair question to me? One thing, would we be able to play 08 courses on the 06 game or could we get enough architects to make courses for 06???
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| I prefer the reverse... creating courses for 06 and importing to 08... will continue to do that until I find a golf game that beats 08 with custom course capability. |
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I must admit I am disappointed that no new TW is to see the light of day on the PC
But I am totally new to TW07, TW08 and have since purchased TW06 becuse the quality of the
courses released here is second to none and made my TW experiences all the more intersting.
I just hope this site goes on from strength to strength ,I can only add that there are
probably thousands out there that do not even know you guyz exist and your doing an amazing job.
So hey who needs EA now they have abandoned us.
Great site,Great Courses and by all accounts it appears great members.
I just wanna say thanks to all.
Oh and is there a link I can use at one or two of my COD sites?
again probably the wrong place to post all this (new here) but wanted to say your work is awesome so do not worry about EA you will somehow sort it all out :P |
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yeah, EA has abandoned us ...
a little reading will clear up that idea :)
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Discuss Tiger Woods Pga Tour 2010 Online
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it's in beta now
2nd beta starting in a couple weeks
browser based, no dvd this time
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It all sounds like the proverbial 'rats leaving the sinking ship'
Difference is, it's not sinking - just in for a refit!
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I saw pics from someone testing the beta version of 2010. With the large horizontal bars and arrows going across it looks like the playstation 3 console TW. Why wouldnt they use the beloved TW08 model and just make it online for 2010? The headgate boys have used the TW08 grid since 2000 with pga 2000 that works so well? It has a locator arrow, power display to help you putt? Most I've talked to do not like the new 2010 version period, they also say it's harder to play.
It seems it would have been easier to copy the TW08 cd model for 2010 online? Then you could easily use the +400 courses and everyone would be happy even if they charged for subscriptions. You would have the same true swing, gamepad and 3 /2 click game. Then you avoid the "pirate" cd game issue and have a product everyone loves.
I only hope that EA will keep the TW08 online server working, even if they have to charge. I'd rather not try to play with IP to IP with evereyone. Its all very disappointing. |
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"I saw pics from someone testing the beta version of 2010. With the large horizontal bars and arrows going across it looks like the playstation 3 console TW. Why wouldnt they use the beloved TW08 model and just make it online for 2010? The headgate boys have used the TW08 grid since 2000 with pga 2000 that works so well? It has a locator arrow, power display to help you putt? Most I've talked to do not like the new 2010 version period, they also say it's harder to play.
It seems it would have been easier to copy the TW08 cd model for 2010 online? Then you could easily use the +400 courses and everyone would be happy even if they charged for subscriptions. You would have the same true swing, gamepad and 3 /2 click game. Then you avoid the "pirate" cd game issue and have a product everyone loves.
I only hope that EA will keep the TW08 online server working, even if they have to charge. I'd rather not try to play with IP to IP with evereyone. Its all very disappointing." |
I completely agree with you dude and thanks for provide us great knowledge stuff. |
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| "I saw pics from someone testing the beta version of 2010. With the large horizontal bars and arrows going across it looks like the playstation 3 console TW. Why wouldnt they use the beloved TW08 model and just make it online for 2010? The headgate boys have used the TW08 grid since 2000 with pga 2000 that works so well? It has a locator arrow, power display to help you putt? Most I've talked to do not like the new 2010 version period, they also say it's harder to play." |
The game will look somewhat different than it does today. That is all I can say. They could not use TW08 through a browser which is why they are using a new engine designed to be played over the net. Many comments I have seen in the actual TWO forums are very positive. EA is rolling out the latest version including the new MP online feature along with some new features that will be in the Open Beta. EA also went to this new engine to maximize Development by using some of the console features such as courses. Keep in mind that this engine is extremely scalable and once they get the game optimized where it is running very well on the widest possible machine specs, they will begin to work towards improving the visual aspects of the game as well as add new features driven by community feedback. This game will evolve over time unlike previous TW PC versions which "de-volved" over the years when features began disappearing from TW05 on.
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The TW08 engine is 7 years old. EA felt it was time to move to a new engine for the future of TW for PC. The existing engine could NOT be ported over to an online-only interface.
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They will keep the 08 servers running into 2010, but not sure for how long is my guess. Not sure why you are so disappointed...have you even played the new game? It is much better than you are giving it credit for IMO.... |
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Thanks for your comments Divot. I have played the beta 3 version from a neighbors' house and I am disappointed. You are right many people have posted positive comments about 2010 and do not want to seem negative, for many reasons. But the majority I have talked to are not happy for the reasons that have been mentioned many times. After awhile, there is no point commenting anymore, and obviously the level of anticipation and enthusiam has abated.
I understand why EA evolved into this format, but my point is with a 7 year old engine, TW08, the 2010 sohuld have been comparable, not offer an inferior product that looks and plays like a console playstation game for the pc. If you feel that eventually they can reach the feel and look and playability of TW08 from where they are now, then I would hope you are right.
The 700+ courses, the ability to design for TW08, the feel of the trueswing putting on a grid that doesnt having large squares and moving arrows are not improvements to a most critical portion of play. A power meter for TS power? How does that compare to the feel of trueswing without the visual measure? Just touch or feel?
Most I have talked to online, will stay with TW08 for as long as EA will have us. That is not an opinion but fact. Since TW05/06 the ability to design has been eliminated with the newer games but designers have contiued quite sucessfully for TW08 using the older tool. The courses are brilliant, with new great designers each week, which contiues to make the 7 year game fresh. The graphics on the TW08 were improved over TW07 as EA themselves said.
Luckily for some of us, there are IP/Lan options to contiue to play the game online when EA or if EA decides to pull the plug.
The 500 pound gorilla in the room is that the 2010 product is not as good as the TW08 version period.(at this point) With the upcomming improvements you anticipate comming , I wonder how using console grids and facebook features can finally surpass the greatness of TW08. EA should listen to the market and what it wants, thats how profits are made. They forced Madden Football 08PC players to go console, but have kept the basic game comparable, so there might be some hope. Finally Madden 10 is good for the consoles.
This "negativism" spoken about, doesnt always apply. If someone feels a new product offered is inferior to a present beloved TW08 product thats over 7 years old, it seems to me its an opinion that can be stated. In my case and many others its an absolute fact for now; that's all. Its more about the satisfaction level of the TW08 community, and EA's attempt at going in another direction that is often expressed.
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At the end of the day, there are things we disagree on. I choose to leave 08 behind as it is in the TW Community's best interest to do everything to communicate to EA what they want in TW Online, hence the open betas. EA has received a great deal of feedback and is working to implement many features that have been suggested. One only has to look at the following link below to see they have been listening as this is a working screenshot of the MP Beta. Cleaner interface, a new interface for working the ball, etc....
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2730299&id=85210372502
I respect those who want to stick with TW08, but you can count me out as I want to do everything I can to help EA get this new product to surpass 08 in every way. This will NOT happen overnight. It WILL take time, likely more time than many here are willing to give EA, but their strategy is sound for future features for TW Online, IMO.
Lastly, TW Online does NOT play like the PS3/360 versions. I have played both extensively and I could not disagree more.
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So they are treating PC customers as second class citizens by taking on the risk of bringing out a completely new game and leaving the 08 servers running WELL PAST the normal time period for these servers to be administered? Yeah, I see your point.....:rolleyes: |
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There is no reason to be defensive. The TW2010 has the same pinball machine arrows moving and large horizontal putting grid as PS3. The playability similarities you are right are not similar, (semantics) but both inferior to the TW08PC version for now.
We purchased TW08 with the expectation we could play online with EA server or a similar vehicle. Thats all we can expect. It would be fair if EA could comment on the TW08 online server availability down the road. That would satisfy many. Simple. |
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| "I'm just saying that from what I have seen, they have a long, long, long long way to go before they prove they are committed to the pc community. All I have seen is a half hearted effort." |
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"There is no reason to be defensive. The TW2010 has the same pinball machine arrows moving and large horizontal putting grid as PS3. The playability similarities you are right are not similar, (semantics) but both inferior to the TW08PC version for now.
We purchased TW08 with the expectation we could play online with EA server or a similar vehicle. Thats all we can expect. It would be fair if EA could comment on the TW08 online server availability down the road. That would satisfy many. Simple." |
Defensive? I am simply responding with my own opinions as you are. Try not to be so sensitive. You are comparing a BETA of a game that is still very deep in development. There will be parts of the console games in TWO because it makes sense from a development and resource sharing perspective. There are also numerous changes coming with the MP and Open Betas BASED UPON user feedback. Tell me, WHEN have you seen user feedback impact a TW PC game in recent memory? I know the answer, but enlighten us, please.
One of the biggest reasons EA is going a different direction with TW PC is because the PC versions of the past were very different, with a different engine which necessitated more resources to develop the game with diminishing returns year after year. Tell me with a straight face now, were you in EA's shoes, would you have continued down the same revenue/profitability losing path? |
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