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| Posted: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at
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| I think the only way that cheating is not cheating is if you and all your oppenents are playing the game with the same cheat. I know that sounds strange, but I think it is true. |
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| Posted: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at
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Well ive never heard of those programs, and actually wish they werent out there, but you can tell by my scores in tours and my DNFs that I deff. have not used any of those and personally never will. To me to play a game online or off line, by doing a cheet like TruBlu described or even when games come with game cheat codes, I dont use them. To me its just not fun. What is fun about playing something that you are actually not advancing on your own skills. My point was more about the speed of the meter.
Non Cheat 3clicker forever lol :) |
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| Posted: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at
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| No edger would dream of slowing the game down. That wold not bring any advantage in TS. |
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| Posted: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at
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| I seriously doubt that very many 3-clkers use any kind of cheat at the expert level. Most of the folks I know that play 3-ck expert are just plain good players. Theyve been playing this game ( and links before that) for a long time and they have it down, plain and simple. |
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| Posted: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at
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Now let the real debate begin, not just bash true swing because they can edge and thats cheating....[/QUOTE]
Im from the school where using any outside influence to gain an advantage, that wasnt built into the game, is cheating.
Trying to justify it makes even less sense to me.
Myself, I 3 click. Always have, probably always will. Even contemplating using one of the aforementioned programs gives me the willys, simply for the fact I would not liked to be looked at as a cheater.
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| Posted: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 at
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| edited by: TruBluMich on
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| I agree with everyone I cant stand cheaters, cheat programs or anything that alters the game from what I percieve to be the way the developers intended the game to be played. |
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Good topic TB & agree whole heartedly.
Thanks for letting this run its course and not get out of hand.
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| Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 at
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I think most everyone is aware that a slowdown program can be and is used by some 3 clickers.
I think the essence of the whole cheating debate lies in the fact that TS is all but unplayable in expert mode for most people, which is the reason that most TSers turn to cheating by using an edge.
On the same hand, with a lot of practice a 3 clicker can hit much more accurate shots on expert mode, so most of them do not turn to cheating by using any kind of aid. |
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| Posted: Sunday, June 1, 2008 at
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| edited by: eagls628 on
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| tigerpaw. I wasnt bashing or defending anyone or any swing type. If you take what I said the way that it was ment, I think you might realize it is just telling it the way that it is. |
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i for one find the meter (3-click) harder to use on novice than i do on adv, i seem to be way before or way after maybe its the fact i am eager to hit the ball and cant wait for the bar to hit the bottom.........
golf is supposed to be an honourable game, we all know cheats/aids do exist and for this reason i do not play much on EASO and i content myself to play in tournaments and via Lan or direct IP only (gee i mean the prize for winning is what?.....some more virtual tokens :). i find it much better to get a group of friends from all over world and play in Lan using hamachi and skype , no tokens, no timeouts and good allround fun..
heres hoping tour directors are aware of the ,mentioned cheats and can somehow catch those using them out and keep this tour clean for all our enjoyment... |
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what great players are you talking about?,the cheats you mention came out at least 18 months after TW99 was released,the 8 greatest players played in Vegas on EA computers for $10,000 in the finals of the internet tour,anyone else would not be a great player and all of them moved on to the newest version when it came out.
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| I concur with Carn, I was a member of Cases Ladder back at that time, I have played with and against those forementioned people on many occasion, and it was more than obvious that they had just flat out figured the game out. |
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| Posted: Monday, June 2, 2008 at
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| Theres an old practice aid in real golf where you lay a club on the ground pointing at your target and line your toes up with it, then you lay another club down where the ball would be to line up your swing. This exercise is not allowed during a regular round of golf, but if someone were to use it then, would it be cheating? Pretty much the same as edging isnt it? |
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| Ahhh, No. I dont think so. Placing a club on the ground to see if your aimed straight doesnt make you incapable of hitting your shot offline. You are still required to swing in perfect balance and tempo in order to hit it towards your target. After placing a straight edge down, no skill is required whatsoever. |
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| Posted: Monday, June 2, 2008 at
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| Not even a close comparison........ You still have to execute the swing properly. If you mishit, youll hit off line. You can even whiff with a club shaft guiding you. While I disagree with the previous poster that egding requires no skill whatsoever, it takes so much out of the equation , it makes the claim that TS is remotely comparable to real-life swinging laughable. |
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| Sorry Otto, Ill stick to my guns on this one. I have had virtually no experience with tru swing as Ive been a 3 clicker since World Class Leaderboard in the Links series yet Ive experimented enough to know that while my distance my vary some I can hit the fairway virtually every time by edging. That said I have the utmost respect for tru swingers that are legit because it’s very difficult if you’re playing by the rules. Unfortunately there seems to be a huge upswing in cheaters(edgers)recently. For the life of me Ive still never been able to grasp what the thrill in winning is when you know you’re a cheat. |
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to continue a tired topic....
I was looking thru some of the TW08 system files with a hex editor to see if i could determine how the game implements career mode in TW08 and came across some interesting text
amongst all the hex code.
In the engine.dll there is a reference to an edge detection and penalization system built into the game, but whether it was actually implemented i have no idea...
attached is an extract from the engine.dll |
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| Posted: Sunday, October 26, 2008 at
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| It is probably just leftover code from an earlier version. I believe it was back during the TW2006 beta testing that the cheat detection code was put in. If I remember correctly, it didn't work as well as EA had hoped (detecting edging when the person was freehanding, not detecting edging when it was intentionally being done, etc). They probably left the code in, but didn't activate it. |
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Thanx Jeff, interesting... The sytem could have worked fine up to a point, in tracking the y coord of the mouse movement and it would have to assume that even a perfect freehand trueswing would have at least the smallest degree of variation at some point during the swing.
The whole thing falls flat on it's face in the case of a 'perfect' swing as the player would be penalised as the system would assume an edge was used. |
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I'm amazed by some of what I have read on here. First of as far as 3-click and True Swing are concerend I have played both. I can put my hand on my heart and say unless you have either a really expensive mouse with tip top control without an edge your chances of being competitve are about zero.
I have seen so much fighting between clickers and edgers it makes me sick to my stomache.
When you play this game it's what happens round the green that seperates good players from great players. I have seen and know players from both modes.
We all have a have choice and to critisise someone or not play them because of their swing does nothing for the game.
I started playing this game back in 2001 and was unaware that you could cheat back then. I played the guy who topped cases ladder. Chose a 7 iron but just as I went to swing he changed my club by pressing keys on his Keyboard to a PW. I never found out untila yaer after when a friend I played with told me he was doing it all the time.
EA sorted that problem out the next year and the game was a lot of fun and then the edging rubbish started. Within a year Cases ladder was no longer with people fighting and bickering over the most stupid idiotic thing ever. Their Swings!
But today it's different it would seem those with the ability to do so can write script and becomea golfing genius over night. That makes this game a complete joke and EA are doing what?
I was playing some guy today and as soon as I got a few strokes in front he started talking about cheat codes and add ons whatever the hell they are. He left the game shortly afterwards.
That's what these evil no good smart axx computer geniuses are doing to this game. NO one trusts anyone else and if you're good your a cheat.
Incidentally this game has gone backwards since they introduced novice intermediate for what reason I have no idea. I can't for the life of me work out the difference between Int and Adv. All 4 levels achieves is to separate people. Of course EA don't care and novice is there to make people feel special about themsleves thinking they can actually play the game. It's all about selling us the game.
I would love to see EA do something about the security of this game. Why don't they have a locked folder that if opened deletes the game or something?
I can't think of any reason why anyone would have to go into it unless they wanted to alter something.
Thankfully there will always be more non cheats than cheats. My main hope is that true swing and clickers realise it doesn't matter a hoot what they do. It's these computer freaks and EA for doing nothing about it we should be aiming our anger at not each other
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