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| Posted: Sunday, May 25, 2008 at
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| I agree..... a line drawn on a pad , or on your desk, doesnt have any effect on the mouse, hence, its a perfectly legitimate aid. Fankly, I think youre better off watching your cursor, rather than that line........ |
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| "Ive played 3 click novice, I started out as a 3 clicker and frankly found that to be less a challange shooting a good score edging...Who cares who does what, most just gravitate to people of fairly equal competition. Nothing against 3 clicking I just find it to be boring and it does not require and feel/touch just timing period." |
How the hell do you shape your shots then? You know...like you see real golfers do? If you edge, it must be near impossible or frustrating as hell to play a dogleg-ridden course, especially where you cant shoot over trees etc. As for feel/touch....how can you mention both of those in the same vein as edging for goodness sake? LOL
In my own opinion, edging sounds like a terrible bore with zero challenge as there is no chance of hitting a draw or a fade and certainly no way other than hitting the ball too hard or too soft, to actually hit a poor shot! If life were perfect, it would be boring, is a saying that comes to mind LOL |
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| Shaping shots is nearly impossible with TS, ...... Ive tried for years. In 04, it was actually pretty easy to hit draws and fades in Novice. In 08,, thats a dream in Novice. IN X, its a nightmare.... if you manage to hit a draw, its a low plug. Not that its not possible, but the movement of the mouse required is so severe, its laughable. I hit lots of inadvertent slight draws and slight fades, but mostly I hit pulls and the occasional push. Even with freehanding, hitting straight is an accomplishment.Ive often thought that the real task for EA is to disable straight shots for TS,,,,, that would be miles more realistic. |
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Well, I used to TS and was able to draw and fade at expert level however that was with an old mouse which decided to give up the ghost and I never could quite get it right with the new mouse, so switched to 3 click. I do however believe, that there are quite a few horizontal TS players (there are a few on the PGAX Tour) who are able to fade and draw with remarkable results. (And they dont edge even if it were easily possible on Horizontal!)
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| TS H is miles different from TS V. |
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| "I say to each his own, is edging cheating?? Its all a matter of opinion, ...Who cares who does what," |
So I suppose imroving a lie by using a tee everywhere or using a training aid to help your swing really wouldnt be cheating either and it would be a matter of opinion. Obviously attitudes like this come from people who have little or no integrity and especially do not hold the values of the real game of golf with any sort of value. But I guess if that is the only way to enjoy a game is to become that best at cheating, knock your self out I say. i will stick to trying to better my game without enhancements, and btw I can play 3clk, hz & vt ts decent enough to enjoy it all free hand. |
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| Posted: Monday, May 26, 2008 at
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This thread is a good explanation of why I never fret about people scoring -20 on my courses.
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These are to statements from you Larry:
Now for the final hole I teed off and my opponent Says I will not give you a CHEATER the satisfaction I replied to the effect that you need to not only check the players rating but also their player stats and that I am no cheater
I cant say i am totally cheat free also I also edge and i have a kensington mouse and driver
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| I only shot I can shape fairly consistantly freehand is a fade, every once in a while I get lucky when trying to hit a draw but most of the time it ends up a snap hook.. As Otto said best thing to do is just try to hit it straight freehand. I can pretty well but only at around 100 or 101% anything more its crookedsville. |
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So I suppose imroving a lie by using a tee everywhere or using a training aid to help your swing really wouldnt be cheating either and it would be a matter of opinion. Obviously attitudes like this come from people who have little or no integrity and especially do not hold the values of the real game of golf with any sort of value. But I guess if that is the only way to enjoy a game is to become that best at cheating, knock your self out I say. i will stick to trying to better my game without enhancements, and btw I can play 3clk, hz & vt ts decent enough to enjoy it all free hand." |
LMAO, thats two seperate things....Again to each there own quit cryin. |
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Keep it civil people......
I particullay dont care if someone edges or doesnt. You will always have those who look for an advantage when playing. Even in real golf the clubs they are using are rediculous, guys no bigger then a 8th grader are hitting 300+ yard drives.
Basic arguments Im seeing is that by using a piece of equipment...an edge...is cheating. So in real golf the equipment people are using that makes them hit the ball farther and straighter is not cheating? Id like to see Tiger Win with a average set of clubs against Phil with his normal bag....Im not saying it wouldnt happen but I can gurantee you it probbly wont. Just the same as edgers, Im not saying if you dont use the same equipment as them that you are not going to win, but you probbly wont.
My point is this, I very rarely play online because first I dont have alot of time and second Im not playing with the same equipment, I dont edge because its not fun for me, like playing a game with all the weapons on the first level. But im not dumb I know people edge and I know people use 3click cheats...so to play them and excpect to win is rediculous.
Theres cheats which no one knows about that gives players an unfair advantage and then theres equipment that people can use to give them an unfair advatage that everyone knows about. It is your choice to edge or not to edge, it is your choice to use 3click cheats, those who value THIER VIEW of how the game should be played may think it is exceptable to use equipment to improve thier game. Others may view using software to improve thier game is exceptable. Personnaly if someone is using equipment to improve thier game I have ALOT more respect for them then I do for those who alter the game with software to improve thier scores. |
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TruBluMich. I have a question for you.
What would be the difference between someone downloading a piece of software that would allow them to hit a straight shot everytime using TS and someone using a edge to hit that straight shot every time?
IMO, both methods would be altering the game. One would be mechanically and the other would be digitally. In the end they would both have the same results.
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| If youre really just curious, Eagles, straight edges dont ensure straight shots....... Tempo is a huge factor in TS. If you hit an edge with really fast tempo, youll hit waaaaaay offline. |
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You couldnt prove that by me Otto.
I just went into a practice game on expert TS using an edge and hit about 50 drives. I used every tempo that I could muster up from very slow to slightly fast(For some reason I could not muster up the very fast tempo you spoke of) and every drive was straight except for a slight draw on 3 or 4 of them where I felt the jewel case that I was using slip slightly. The only thing I noticed with different tempos is the distance the ball went. Slow tempo short drive, fast tempo long drive.
Using an edge in expert TS is incredibly easy to hit a straight shot each and every time. About the same as playing 2 click actually. |
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Think you missed my point....Simpler explanation, if is use a mouse with a ball and I play someone with a laser mouse, they have an unfair advantage because they have different equipment that is better then what Im playing with. So everyone that says using an edge is cheating then must agree that using an expensive mouse is cheating as well, there equipment is better then mine.
In all honesty all Im doing is debating and I choose the minority on this one...bringing up valid points that no one else seems to be mentioning. The game has been out for 6 years now with TS V and since 2002 people have been using edges to shoot straighter and score lower, so IMHO Id say that at this point its part of the game. If I remeber correctly one of the manuals from 2002 or 2003 suggested using a ruler to hit straighter shots. Its been a few years so dont quote me on that one.
My argument is that to call someone who uses an edge a cheater is wrong, they just choose to use better equipment to shoot lower scores, the same equipment if you choose to you can use. Do I want to play someone who edges, not really, but I know that if I choose I can use the same equipment as them to shoot lower scores.
As for some of this real golf stuff about using a tee, moving your ball....I AM 100% POITIVE THAT IF SOMEONE CAME OUT WITH A TOOL THAT WOULD MAKE YOU HIT IT STRAIGHT EVERYTIME NO MATTER WHAT, that person would end up becoming a billionair. And there would be a huge debate on if its cheating or not.... |
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all I have to say is if you edge its the same as two click and your scores mean nothing,the same thing goes to people that use software cheats.
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As far as the meter being to fast. Im an expert 3clicker and have been ever since i started back in 99. Never tried another level or other swing type. I have not played since 05 so timing is off. So as far as that goes, lets say your a expert golfer and dont touch a club in two years, guess what your timing is gonna be all off. You make it sound as playing real golf is easy, lmao they practice every day and now have become a machine. Like what Carn was saying there is a point that you dont even have to look at bottom, becomes automatic. In a real golf swing, i promise you there is alot more stuff to time then just hitting a gl with a meter. So it being fast is what it should be. It should not be easy, cause golf isnt easy. If you want to become an expert at the highest level, then you practice. If a real golfer had it as easy as lets say intermidiate level even advance level meter speed, they would be shooting off the charts. As far as TS goes. Well there is no way to actually tell who edges and who doesnt, you can assume, and if you do edge, its like going up for your shoot and handing Tiger the club to take your shot for you lmao. Also like Carn said, 3click experts are off on days, just like in real golf(unless your Tiger). Some golfers shoot good one week, then dont make cut next. So no the meter is not to fast or to touchey when you miss, if a golfer misses his timing in any of the parts of his swing, he will shank it too example Phil shanks his drives often, but can get himself out of trouble. As far as a software for 3clickers never heard of one. One thing i dont like is how we fade and draw, would like a setting for that, but if you choose it and dont hit your gl at bottom, then you should get penelized.
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OK Im done debating....Ive ran out of ideas for the other side and must say Im not sure how anyone can argue that edging is not cheating. I tried but in all honesty theres no argument, you are using an external method to change the game from the way the developers intended it to be played. For those of you who may have mis-interprited my posts, I do not edge and for years have claimed it is cheating. Its only that I have heard this argument SO MANY TIMES that I decided this time I would take the side of an edger who thinks they are not cheating. I kind of ran out of ideas so Im giving up, Id like to see someone who edges actually try and explain how it is not cheating. To me the ONLY way it is not cheating is if you tell your opponent before starting the game you use an edge or 3click cheat, it is then up to that player to play you or not.
I also havent heard anyone touch on library cheats, memory cheats and excspecially RAM cheats for 3 clickers.
LIBRARY CHEATS
You can create a library and then edit the GUID and as long as there are enough structures and textures in that library you can set the textures to WHATEVER you want. This one is not easily done but can be accomplished if you understand how to use certain programs.
MEMORY CHEATS
ALl I can say is theres programs that allow you to change textures on shirts and clothing....what makes you think there are not cheats that allow you to take mulligans?
RAM CHEATS
RAM cheats are simply programs that slow down the PC which in turns slows down your swing meter. Alot of these programs allow you to set hotkeys so that once your done swinging you can speed up your PC and move the game along faster.
Now if were going to have a topic about cheating then lets talk about ALL of the cheats not just the easy one. Edging should be the LEAST of anyones concerns when playing online. I normally dont do this but here is a short list of 3 click cheats....the other two cheats I know of Im not explaining how there done since I have yet to see them be used widley. As I SAID edging is the least of the cheat methods Im worried about. I havent checked any of these other then one when I was notified of its exsistance by a concerned player. Im only releasing these cheats because frankly every year I here 3 clickers calling true swingers cheaters and NOT ONCE have I ever heard a 3clicker fess up to cheating using any of the programs. I do however regulary see players admit to edging....cheating is not one sided people so if were going to talk about it lets talk about all of it not just the most well known cheat, edging.
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Now let the real debate begin...
Hmmmmmm lets see some 3-click scores plummet now!
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