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| In MY opinion, if we are trying to mirror the actual PGA tour, there should be no one shooting anymore than 5 to 10 under par, PER round. It is INSANE to shoot 25 or more UNDER par, that is unheard of in REAL PGA golf tournaments. Theres tour players who dont shoot that in 3 tourneys. That is what this game is trying to emulate, correct? Shooting anything more than 10 under on ANY level is just not golf, IMO. Also, I think you shouldnt have to set all the high winds, difficult pins, and very dry settings to make it less likely to shoot a low score. They will not even play during extreme high winds 9 times out of 10 on the PGA tour, so WHY should we on here? We have to because to make it more difficult in scoring. If it is to rainy or to wet of conditions, most of the players will ask to play at a later time or just fore go the round all together. |
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| Posted: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at
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Normal speed is Novice level maybe on Links,the meter speed has not changed on TW top level,in fact the meter was faster on TW2000 but they patched it to the speed it is now,it has been the same speed since.
The meter speed is not fast,well I guess it my seem fast if you play novice where its almost impossible to miss the lines.
For TW2003 there was over 100 beta testers and I dont recall anyone saying the meter was too fast on expert but many thought there were too many lower levels and that only the 3 hardest levels should be available for online play. |
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| Posted: Thursday, May 22, 2008 at
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| it was you that mentioned Links in the fist place and I doubt you will find many if any expert clickers who think the meter is too fast. |
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| Posted: Thursday, May 22, 2008 at
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I play Adv 3-click and find the speed frustratingly fast but Ive probably crippled my reactions with vast quantities of alcohol over the years.
There is a flipside. Theres pleasure to be gained in mastering the speed of the meter even if it is only for a round or two. Those 2 or 3 good rounds make up for the 20 frustrating rounds I had prior. |
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| Posted: Thursday, May 22, 2008 at
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| It isnt really that the meter is too fast on expert, but rather it is too fast over all. It is a constant speed from the time you start your swing until you reach the top and then start back down. I think a better solution would have been to have the meter start out slowly and then speed up some as you reach 12 oclock and then have it start down rather slowly and reach maximum speed(Which might be even faster than expert speed) as you reach 6 oclock. The way the meter speed has always been makes it very difficult for me to have the feeling that I am actually swinging a golf club. That would go for all the levels, not just expert. |
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| Posted: Thursday, May 22, 2008 at
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I am in total agreement with Carn here, I am a 3 Clicker at expert level, having converted from TS earlier last year. On most days, I find I dont really pay much attention to the meter because of any speed issue. Instead, I am more focused on making sure I do not hit it full strength when appropriate and drawing or fading where required.
Where I would have to concede a point, would be when it comes down to simulation. TS is the only method in which simulation comes into play with hitting the ball. You need a steady tempo, just as in real golf. This is not possible to replicate on 3 Click.
Going back to the click argument, one comment here made me larf my ruddy socks off though.......Normal speed is Novice level....not Advance or Expert meter speeds...they are ludicrous. (Quote by Orbster)
Are you having a bubble? Geeez, novice speed is like slower than snails pace for an expert level player, heck, Id give the game up if I had to get my zimmer frame out to play this game lmao.
The speed we have now for clicking at expert is just fine IMHO. With regard to the matter of level playing fields, I think most tours running, have got this right. For example, with the one I am involved in, we dont have the same people winning all the time, nor do we have the same top 5 every week. Added to this, not all are edgers or use any other form of game adaption. I play to a +1 HCP on 3 Click Expert. I am able to compete against anyone in our tour due to the HCP system. It is not a question of who clicks/TS/edging etc. |
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| Posted: Thursday, May 22, 2008 at
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"Where I would have to concede a point, would be when it comes down to simulation. TS is the only method in which simulation comes into play with hitting the ball. You need a steady tempo, just as in real golf. This is not possible to replicate on 3 Click.
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Although you could never actually simulate the tempo, it is possible to create at least somewhat of a feel that you are swinging a golf club when using 3 click. The Custom Play Golf 2 game demonstrates this reasonably well I think. |
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| Posted: Saturday, May 24, 2008 at
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| So why are all these Expert and Advanced players whinging about scores ? get outta the novice tour and play to your level? not beneath it? |
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I say to each his own, is edging cheating?? Its all a matter of opinion, while I do think if you are going to edge (as I do), grow a set and play nasty conditions. I also free hand when playing someone I trust (such as Otto) is playing free hand also.
Ive played 3 click novice, I started out as a 3 clicker and frankly found that to be less a challange shooting a good score edging...Who cares who does what, most just gravitate to people of fairly equal competition. Nothing against 3 clicking I just find it to be boring and it does not require and feel/touch just timing period. |
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| Posted: Saturday, May 24, 2008 at
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"I say to each his own, is edging cheating?? Its all a matter of opinion, while I do think if you are going to edge (as I do), grow a set and play nasty conditions. I also free hand when playing someone I trust (such as Otto) is playing free hand also.
Ive played 3 click novice, I started out as a 3 clicker and frankly found that to be less a challange shooting a good score edging...Who cares who does what, most just gravitate to people of fairly equal competition. Nothing against 3 clicking I just find it to be boring and it does not require and feel/touch just timing period." |
The way I look at it, edging is not cheating as long as all of your opponents are also edging, but if even one of the opponents is not using an edge, the ones using an edge are cheating. |
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| Posted: Saturday, May 24, 2008 at
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| The way I see it, edging is cheating ......... period. It makes no difference if everyone else is cheating , as well, ... its still cheating. If everyone else is also robbing lunch money from children, does that make you less a villain? |
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| Posted: Saturday, May 24, 2008 at
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| Posted: Saturday, May 24, 2008 at
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| "The way I see it, edging is cheating ......... period. It makes no difference if everyone else is cheating , as well, ... its still cheating. If everyone else is also robbing lunch money from children, does that make you less a villain?" |
Stealing money from someone would be doing an injustice to someone and would certainly be wrong. If a group of people decided to play TW and use an edge, all it would amount to is playing the game in a way it wasnt intended to be played. It would not amount to cheating or doing an injustice to anyone.
Cheating is defined as a deception for profit to yourself. There is no cheating if no one is being deceived. |
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| Posted: Saturday, May 24, 2008 at
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Just east of Raleigh....... |
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| Posted: Saturday, May 24, 2008 at
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| Cheating can be defined as the use of an external source to influence game play. If I use an edge and hit crappy shots, am I cheating? I would have to say yes. I used an edge in the latter half of the 05 game. In the beginning of 06, I met a couple of super folks from Germany ( Pat and Ollie ) who playfully called me cheater. I stopped edging when playing with them from that point on. Shortly after that, I stopped edging altogether. I found it very challenging to hit the ball straight, especially when putting, and I got my butt handed to me a lot!. I also found that my tempo was much more consistent, which in TS counts for a lot. I stuck with it, and for the most part , I can hit straight 89% of the time. Hitting draws and fades on purpose is a losing proposition in TS, although Ive met a few folks who have made devices that allow them to do that at will ( hate to burst those bubbles out there...). Id encourage everyone who plays TS V to give freehand an honest try. Sure, youll lose ... plenty, but in the long run, youre going to enjoy the experience a whole lot more.... |
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| Posted: Saturday, May 24, 2008 at
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True cheating is cheating whether you win or not.
So Otto, you are a reformed cheater then? lol. J/K Bud |
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| Posted: Saturday, May 24, 2008 at
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| The shoe fits, Eagles............ |
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| Posted: Saturday, May 24, 2008 at
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| I started playing online a little over a year ago, and really enjoy it. I was playing using 2 click and got very good at it, but it was also getting very boring. Ive since switched to 3 clicking and find it to be enough of a challenge to keep me interested. I have tried TS and it totally frustrates me. Now maybe if I tried edging, my frustration level may not be quite so high with TS but I think I would not only be cheating my opponents, but myself as well. I enjoy this game too much to start cheating and getting a bad rep for it. Winning or losing really makes no difference to me, I just enjoy playing the game and I enjoy playing with folks that arent so wrapped up in ratings or winning that they too enjoy the game. Those of you that need an ego boost, ratings bump or just need a win, come play me, I can provide you with all of them. |
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| Posted: Sunday, May 25, 2008 at
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| Since purchasing TW08 I have always been a TS vertical and also being a user of graphics software, ie Photo Shop I use a Wacom graphics pad with a wireless pen. Also supplied with the pad was a wireless mouse and this is what I use when playing TW08. On the graphic pad there is rectangular box which denotes the margins of my monitor and it is the vertical lines on the pad which I use as a guide for the mouse it helps to keep the swing straight and also is a guide for the strength of swing. Am I cheating by using this pad? personally I dont think so, because I am sure there are many people out there who use something similar to get a straight swing either on the mousemat or on their desk. |
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| Posted: Sunday, May 25, 2008 at
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| IMO, drawing a line on your mouse pad or using a line that is already there and then following that line freehand with your mouse would not be considered cheating. Either way, it isnt all that easy to do. |
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