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| Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2008 at
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| My graphics in my PC are far superior to any console out there. Higher end games with very high end graphics are the norm not the rarity for those that play the big FPS titles. But those titles also require a fairly high end PC. If you look through the forum posts anywhere for TW08, you will see that most users list the specs as something very marginal in a gaming pc. Those of us that play higher end games usually have the pc to go with it. The game studios that develop these higher end games also get alot of sponsorship money from companies like nvidia, AMD, Intel, Soundblaster X-Fi, to name a few. There just isnt enough economy to support a high end sports sim. For example on an average given evening, there are over 35000 players playing Call of Duty 4 PC online multi player. When you go onto EASO, at best any time I would guess 200 players max? When I last checked there were over 13000 COD4 servers for PC up and running. That equates to lots of money for the studios as they get a percentage of the mopnthly rental royaltys as well. Until the income would increase I would not ever expect EA to change or improve anything. How many people would be willing to buy a 2500.00++ pc plus pay 60.00 to run the TW game? If the TW community would spend the same amounts of money that the big fps gamers do, rent the online servers from EA, and get the corporations to help sponsor the title. We may have a chance. EA would expand the series in a minute if they had financial incentive. Currently one of the hottest selling game titles ever(Battle Field Series) as well as Crysis belong to EA, so they have a proven track record of going out were the money is. |
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| Tour Manager and Design Manager of the CGX Tour, the best place online for PGA Style tournament play on custom courses. Often imitated, never duplicated. |
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While it is true that the real serious gamers out there have maxed out PCs and the hottest graphics cards around i doubt that these machines would run a game with the same sort of detail as the CBS animation sequence of the Augusta course after you put in all the lighting, reflections, shadows etc. etc. etc.
That animation was just a static flyby with no actual rendered animation ie trees moving in the wind etc. and probably was a mpeg movie sequence made for TV broadcast.
The computer however that originally generated the sequence would have been some serious machine, we are talking ILM & Dreamworks SKG. |
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| So basically, in a nut shell, it aint gonna get any better? Its ok now, but there has to be something EA can do to make this game a little more realistic, without breaking the bank. PCs may be designed for business, BUT...there are MORE PCs out there, then gaming consoles. I have 2 myself. So, why wouldnt EA want to make the gaming experience more realistic...when you have all these people who have PCs, versus having to go out here every other year and buy the latest gaming console.? You can upgrade your PC, in the long run, cheaper than buying all these different gaming consoles every other year. Soon, XBOX and PS3, WILL be outdated and look at allllll that money gamers have spent on something that will be obsolete. Plus, you CAN conduct your business on your PC, unlike a $700.00 gaming console.:0) |
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Im pretty sure EA could make the game better, the question is do they want to and where is their main focus going to be - as has been mentioned economics.
While there may be more PCs how many of them are high end game machines.
A standard run of the mill workstation in South Africa will cost around R6000-00, a CAD workstation around R15000-00 and a high end game machine about R23000-00 (this includes a graphics card that almost costs the same as an entire standard PC)
A Playstation II about R1500-00 & Playstation III about R6000-000. So for R1500-00 i can get a far superior gaming experience than on a standard PC with miserable on board graphics. |
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| Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2008 at
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| edited by: BladeRunnerZA on
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Great news - UBI Soft will be breaking into the sports game arena and will produce a
Vijay Singh-titled golf game.
http://www.ubi.com/US/News/Info.aspx?nId=2019
In my opinion UBI produce the best games out there, i have all of the battle/war games. The graphics are stunning on PC especially the latest version of Silent Hunter where the rendering of the oceans is phenomenal. (this should make Hyno happy) |
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| Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2008 at
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"Great news - UBI Soft will be breaking into the sports game arena and will produce a
Vijay Singh-titled golf game.
In my opinion UBI produce the best games out there, i have all of the battle/war games. The graphics are stunning on PC especially the latest version of Silent Hunter where the rendering of the oceans is phenomenal. (this should make Hyno happy)" |
I would not get my hopes up too high....they have been saying a VS Golf game was coming out for the past 3 years, yet there is NO othewr mention of it on their website....you did notice that the press release is 3 over years old, right? |
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| Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2008 at
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| edited by: BladeRunnerZA on
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| "I would not get my hopes up too high...." |
Got to hope for something if EA and the TW series is not going anywhere.
I did notice the year of the press release, i just dont have an idea of how long it would take to get off the ground with all the licencing issues and other legalities not to mention the R&D and acquiring course data for a golf game.
What has been happening with EAs attempted purchase of 20% of UBIsoft, this could also have put a spanner in the works. |
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Got to hope for something if EA and the TW series is not going anywhere.
I did notice the year of the press release, i just dont have an idea of how long it would take to get off the ground with all the licencing issues and other legalities not to mention the R&D and acquiring course data for a golf game.
What has been happening with EAs attempted purchase of 20% of UBIsoft, this could also have put a spanner in the works." |
At the end of the day, if EA cant make a profit selling a PC Golf game with all the licensing, etc, what makes you think Ubisoft could be successful? I hate like hell to say it, but PC Golf games are very much a niche market and just dont perform well commercially. The console versions do far better. |
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| Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2008 at
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| I wish they could get the water to look like that in our game! |
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| Posted: Friday, April 18, 2008 at
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| jmeier made a valid point in his post reply which is really the key to this whole discussion. The point revolves around the issue of the mainstream TW PC players and middle of the road PC components. It is actually a Catch 22 situation. Unfortunately, the average user canot have the best of both worlds. If you are going to apply state of the art technique to a game design such as ultimate graphics, lighting, etc., your computer must contain state of the art components for one to fully appreciate such a design. If you are an advid gamer you would have little problem shelling out $2000.00 or more to fully appreciate the new games on the market today. The Holy Grail to these guys can be summed up in one word, and that is Realism. In other words, how close to reality can you get when you immerse yourself into the game. Such realism is only achieved through state of the art graphics and the computers ability to handle the staggering frame rates needed to handle all the intense action within the game. Does such technology exist? Ask any devout gamer. Infact, it is getting better all the time. Therein lies the Catch 22. If you introduce an absolute state of the art game platform you are probably excluding the mainstream of people who play this game. Although the PC gaming industry is huge and such a golf simulation would attract a certain number of serious gamers, the majority of them prefer action shooter and role playing games. The intent by the TW designing team is to introduce a platform that has the maximum marketability. Therefore, this is probably as good as it is going to get with the exception of minor changes and additions. I think it is also safe to say that they are really not too crazy about the ability of our designers to introduce custom courses into their created platform. Although this was somewhat encouraged in earlier TW versions, I really think that they underestimated the talents of our designers who would repeatedly design a better quality course then the stock course designs that came with the game and that their designers were paid to design. You really dont think that they accidentally forgot to include a CA or Career Editor in 07 or 08 not to mention a CU. By now they fully understand that in most TW players minds, custom courses are the backbone of this platform and had it not been for the tireless effort and brilliance of our custom designers to adapt, there would not have been any custom courses in 07 or 08. Barring any major changes in the game engine or interface, there would be little incentive to buy a new version. from the designers and marketers point of view, it is hard ro justify the cost of design if people are able to apply and prefer their own designs. Little wonder that the focus is on the platform version of the game which of course prevents any such custom introductions. When you mentioned the fact about having better water texture, I am guessing that you are referring to the custom designs, because in my opinion as far as the stock courses are concerned and the look of the water, is really one of the best parts of the game. We all know why as of now, why such a look canot be duplicated in the custom courses. It is the same reason the rough grasses lay over, big tree trunks bend like rubber in breezy or windy conditions, and other graphic abnormalities which have been pointed out repeatedly. |
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| Posted: Friday, April 18, 2008 at
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| Well, I have to say ONE thing, when I posted this thread I was not as smart as I am now! I have learned alot and some of the responses I pretty much figured on. But, I am glad to be enlightened by each of you who contributed to this thread. I guess all in all, its just wishful thinking. |
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| "Well, I have to say ONE thing, when I posted this thread I was not as smart as I am now! I have learned alot and some of the responses I pretty much figured on. But, I am glad to be enlightened by each of you who contributed to this thread. I guess all in all, its just wishful thinking." |
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| Posted: Saturday, April 19, 2008 at
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| For the time being...yes. |
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poohween,
I don’t feel like writing an essay right now with bad grammar so.
I suggest you get a similar set up to IH_Jimbo. Jim (is your graphics in HD? I think it is right?)The better your system the better these graphics look. The higher you can set the settings besides the rough/water, the better the PC game will look. I also suggest you hook up this game to wide screen LCD. I love Wide Screen in this game. Spend like $2000 to $5000 on a TV if you havent already. Run this game from your PC to your TV with an HDMI cable. Than run the sound through a stereo system.
I am just guessing when you saw these CBS graphics it was more than likely in HD. So that is how you run this game.
Now on the simulation part of it. Real golf and computer golf are always going to be different. You are moving mouse vs swinging a real club. The PGAX set up their simulations to how they want, I do the same. EA sports does a general setup. There is not a correct way to do this. To me shooting 55 every round is silly. You really can’t build courses to protect from this happening, unless they are unfair. At the end of the day, the PGAX team I think gets the results they want from the scoring, and for me the same. That is not to say someone can’t come in and shoot 99 under par for 4 rounds.
Right now I think the PC game is miles better than the console for the game play.
What I was talking about above is the detail of the courses. The courses don’t have to be dead on accurate just get the details pretty close….
How close is close….Well if I can’t pick up a flaw on it, than I am happy…..(The problem is I am not some blind golfer, so I pretty much pick up everything from looks/shaping/feel/planting/elevations)You kind of want a real course to look like the real course. (The CBS Sim, looked like Augusta)
Now if Ea can create better lighting for this game. Wouldnt it be nice to have the back 9 at Augusta with that Augusta Lighting as it is each year during the final round.
I interviewed 5 people in the last week who played Augusta everyone said the same thing. The thing about Augusta is the massive slopes in the greens and the speed of them. I heard the 6th green drops 14 feet to 18 feet back to front. I heard 16 is like 12 feet from top to bottom. 12 feet is insane if that number is true.
Lets assume it is. It is basically impossible to create a green in the TW game with a 12-foot slope in it. One could never complete the hole. 8 feet is kind of hard. 4 to 5 feet you are still running in to problems, but you can do it. Basically what I am saying here currently one can get the general slopes but in order to have it work it will have to be scaled down a bit.
All this aside the Masters itself is starting to be a let down….Looking back when I was a kid this tournament was awesome……86,87,88,89,90,91,95,96,98,00,01,04 are pretty much the only good ones…05 was ok, but only two guys were in the hunt…..The same can be said for 94,99 and 96. But 96 the Norman adventures is still mind blowing. Now the British Open on the other hand, 87,88,89,90,92,93,94,95,97,98,99,01,02,03,04,06,07 were all great tournaments………US Open and PGA’s are hit or miss…….. |
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| Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 at
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| Dont get me wrong on this, the graphics on my end look great. No, I am not running in HD, that is what I need to do on my end, for better visual graphics. I think all of you guys that create courses do a fantastic job on course designing. I guess I just saw the Auguata simulation and went NUTS:0)! When you see something that nice, I sometimes sit and wonder...what if. Then thats when all the questions start rolling. |
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