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| Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at
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In the future any Real courses I design, I will either use a custom made clubhouse recreated after the Real clubhouse for the course, or I will name them Fantasy courses.. Everything else about my Real courses was followed as close as I could to the real courses but not having the real clubhouses, I believe doesnt really qualify them as real...
I went thru and changed all my Real courses that did not use real clubhouses to Fantasy as I believe its only right, since others that do make real courses do use real clubhouses..
I have checked out Gmax and am completely lost and really dont have the desire nor the time to learn how to use it..
So If I cant get them made for me, then I will call them Fantasy..
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| Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at
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'real' or 'fantasy' is about as accurate as 'easy' or 'difficult' pins
they are just labels used by CDL, much like easy/diff are labels used by the CA to distinguish between pin settings
some 'real' courses may be based on a real life course, but the similarity ends there
so keep on designing regardless of what blank you need to choose on the upload screen,
there's a couple tutorials around for using gmax/3dmaxx - jimi's is here and i thought jimbo64's was also, but that is available elsewhere, or i can send it to you
maybe a bit of a steep leanring curve, but IMO - any one of you designers that can navigate and use the CA could also learn the structure part too |
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| Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at
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Yes i noticed your changed some of your courses to Fantasy, no problem Larry, it is your decision.
It will not stop me from downloading your courses, since i enjoy playing Fantasy courses as much as i enjoy the real courses,just my 2 cents lol. Keep up the great work Larry.
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| Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at
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| I think your being a bit hard on your self, the games about playing the course, |
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| Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at
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| I have always said to those that only Play Real Courses. Once a designer chooses the course they wish to make, it becomes a fantasy course. It just may happen that it is a replica of a real course. It is a game and I personally like all the designs so thank you for your design and don't stop now please.. ed |
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| Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at
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Thank you all for your support I really appreciate it... JB, I have downloaded gmax and some tutorials and maybe, just maybe, if I can get some spare time to concentrate more then 5 minutes at a time, I will delve into it cause oh it would be so nice to be able to make my own structures.. We will see..
Thanks again for the kind offer and thanks for the support m8's... |
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| Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at
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I think it depends on the role the clubhouse plays in the dynamics of the course. You can make a course like Pebble Beach with a generic clubhouse but a course like Baltusrol really needs the clubhouse there because it's so important to the visual aspect.
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| Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at
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Well after listening to some of you folks here I have decided to go back again and put Real on the courses that are real since the consensus is that unless the clubhouse is the main feature, it's not so bad to have a generic clubhouse and since we all can't build structures and the course was followed pretty much the way it is in real life, then I should be ok...
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Larry, As players I think we all have our different things that make a custom course enjoyable. One cannot say that a rendition is an accurate build just because it does not have a proper clubhouse. To me anyway, the routing, the elevations, the way the greens break and that the planting match as close as possible within the confines of the game, so that we can replicate as close to the playing experience of the actual course. Take the stock Pebble Beach for example. There are not many greens that even break toward the ocean on the stock build. Yet it has most of the planting pretty decent, and pretty much the correct structures. But for me, that would be a fail as a real course as it does not replicate the playing characteristics at all.
Those of us that build, do so for many reasons. The real or fantasy labels here to me don't mean much. I personally would have them replica and fictional. As many of those designers that design fictional courses build them in a realistic manner. Some do design what I call the extreme courses. The nice thing about it is we all have the type of designs we choose to play. That is the power of the user community.
So build em the way you want. No one here will ever be able to replicate every detail on a real course with this game. If you build a replica, label it real. If you thought up the design from scratch, call it fantasy. No matter how you build it and whether it is based on a real course or a fictional design, there will be always be some that really enjoy it, and some that may not like it much at all. Build it the way you want and you cannot do any better than that. |
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| Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at
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Thanks Jmeier, points well taken.. Appreciate the reply and the support..:)
Although, where and when at all possible, I think on a real course a real replica of the clubhouse should be used, noting that some of us dont build structures and maybe we should learn, I have downloaded gmax and am going to try and give it a go.
But like many have said, there are many parts that make up a real course and we cant always be 100%.. We do the best we can and hope some get enjoyment out of it..
Thanks again to you guys for the support..
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I agree the the clubhouse accuracy is not high on my list as to course accuracy. I try to pick a clubhouse that is in the same style or possibly even just color or roof color. However I will plant nicely around it to make it look real and fit in.
Many think that by getting a DEM and using the correct course layout that it is close to real. The DEM gives you VERY basic elevations. Obviously some are better than others. I do alot of research on the real course and find as many pics as possible. This is not always possible on smaller courses and accuracy suffers.
I found quite a few pics of Oak Hill and tried to mimic every hill and bunker as best I could. Its great when you watch on TV and yours looks the same.
Birds Eye view for planting is a MUST. Between that and pics you should be able to at least get the planting fairly accurate as to type and placement of trees and bushes.
Do what makes sense. For the most part on real courses, the greens tilt towards the water for drainage. Dont make huge bowls on greens or fairways as in rain they would fill like a pool and not drain properly.
Slopey fairways need to be tamed. Sometimes from the DEM fairways slope way too much making a drive roll into the rough. There should be some sort of flat area, even if for a layup.
Although some courses like Pinehurst have inverted soup bowls for greens, try not to have all the greens slope down severly on the edges. Just not realistic.
I only design for Expert and Very dry play. Use your measuring tool and never have more than 4 up or down in a 10 radius around the pin. Drives me nuts when someone does a great detailed design on a course only to have a pin or two that is unplayable with rollback.
MAKE YOUR WATER FLAT. Pure laziness if you dont. |
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