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10 years ago picked up a copy of the Tiger Woods 2003-04 game, the reason for the purchase was to be able to play Royal Birkdale in a computer game. A few years back found a copy of a remasterd edition of Ultima IV, and found the upgraded edition to be more enjoyable than the original. That got me thinking. The idea was to remake the 04 Stock Course, using many of the concepts on the original design. On the 04 Stock course a few features come to mind. #1 basic link style bunkers with no bunker walls. #2 Creative cart parts with a edged rough cut. #3 Benches on just about every tee box. #4 Trying to use the original 04 textures and look of the course.
Back about 2 months ago decided to go back and finally complete and upgrade Royal Troon, most of the course was re-built and on the back 9 you have some really cool holes built in to the sand dunes. Royal Birkdale is basically one massive sand hill or dunes courses. With this in mind you can create some wild terrain effects, this was the catalyst of designing the new Royal Birkdale. Back about 7 or 8 years ago came up with the design concept of what I call 3D green complexes, what this means is you try to built up the green area to create life like game play.
On this course didnt want crazy sloped greens so they are basically flat, but used the 2008 British coverage on hole fly-overs to get the slopes, they usually had arrows pointing out the general breaks in the greens.
For the elevations basically used the 04 course as the blue print. For example the 12th hole on the tee had a 14 foot drop, than on the new course we had a 14 foot drop.
One of the things I liked to do is to create pictures. On all the tee shots, would pause the 08 Open Coverage than attempt to create that same look on the course.
Now keep in mind to bring Birkdale to life in to a video game is really difficult because of the massive sand hills and bumps and mounds all over the course. Creating a 25 foot sand hill with a tee box over on the other side, doesnt always look correct.
This course was drawn out and shaped by hand, no terrain assist program or shape tracing. However did use Google Earth, which in some cases differed from the Royal Birkdale website. The course website was a great help with stroke saver maps and hole fly-overs.
Right now a few more things need to be done before the course is released. The Pano for one. May use the original Birkdale 04 pano which you can find the segments in the game, or may create a brand new Pano for this course. When the course is complete will also release the upgraded Royal Troon course.
One last thing after watching and going through about 20 hours of video coverage never saw one player in the water basins which are on the course. The basins sometimes have water in them and sometimes they do not. It was decided to not even put them on the course. On Royal Troon it was decided to remove the rail-line from the 11th hole. (;One last thing of note: Decided that I liked the 07 game better than 08, these are 07 courses which may use 08 libs) |
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| Posted: Monday, September 16, 2013 at
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| Posted: Monday, September 16, 2013 at
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| Posted: Monday, September 16, 2013 at
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| The 04 Bunker Style (Picture of the 12th Green) |
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Great pics Hyno,You said it is a Tw07 custom course, but with some luck we can play it in TW08 aswell.
Lot of TW07 custom courses are working in TW08 |
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| Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 at
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if it uses even 1 08 stock library, then it is considered an 08 course i believe, since only owners of tw08 have access to the libraries
but if you are referring to only 08 custom libraries, then that's a course of a different colour |
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| Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 at
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on Royal Troon, I did mess up, so you guys kind of let me know before. Used two different K-Clubs libs for the trees (;07 & 08) and they are pretty similar to each other. To actually go in a pull out the 08 trees is really hard to figure out which is which. May have used some 08 bushes as well. All the 08 Stock courses do work in the 07 engine by the way. Was playing the National 08 in 07. On Troon not really sure if I used any 08 textures either. Started the revisions on this course like 2 years ago, and finally this summer went through and completed it. The actual course file is almost 10 years old…
Birkdale is all 07 stuff with some custom 08 libs I think. I could replant this course using 08 material however the 07 Aviara lib would be used for the gorse bushes. Those bushes were also used on Carnoustie 08.
Birkdale is kind of close to being done. Going to come up with a new bunker method for playing out of the fairway bunkers, right now you can just advance the ball too far.
Don’t know why but just really like the 07 game better than 08. Was actually thinking of replanting Shinnecock Hills 08 to be played in 07. The 08 trees don’t look the best in 07, they are a little bright. However the edge bush from Eastlake 08, is a good tree/bush and still wanted it on the course.
Was also re-doing Muirfield and the 08 stock rough texture which was used on St. George’s looks really good in 07 matched up with the new Muirfield textures. Kind of let me know. Don’t have to release them if they are a problem, but most of these courses will be re-done in some way.
On last thing about Birkdale this is a through back course to 04, that is kind of the concept and why I am using the 04 stock textures which were copied to a new lib. |
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| Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 at
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Green on 15 (Royal Troon)
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Here is a pic of Muirfield 07 in 07 using a 08 Stock Weed Rough. This is the 4th hole which is still being revised.
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What ever you decide to do will be great...good to see you back designing...you and Homeboy are my fav designers...hope the course works on TW 08...only version I play now..THANKS...oops forgot Ken McHale...and Danut Golf
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"on Royal Troon, I did mess up, so you guys kind of let me know before. Used two different K-Clubs libs for the trees (07 & 08) and they are pretty similar to each other. To actually go in a pull out the 08 trees is really hard to figure out which is which. May have used some 08 bushes as well. All the 08 Stock courses do work in the 07 engine by the way. Was playing the National 08 in 07. On Troon not really sure if I used any 08 textures either. Started the revisions on this course like 2 years ago, and finally this summer went through and completed it. The actual course file is almost 10 years old…
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6 years isn't going to change the same exact problems you always had on your courses when you insist on using different years of the same stock lib on a course. It doesn't matter how much you like it or how well it works on your computer. It doesn't matter if the stocks are backwards compatible...... USING MORE THAN ONE OF THE SAME STOCK LIB ON A COURSE WILL CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR OTHER PLAYERS WHEN THEIR GAME GETS CONFUSED TRYING TO SEPERATE 2 OBJECTS OR TEXTURES THAT HAVE THE SAME ID TO THE ENGINE YET LOOK TOTALLY DIFFERENT TO YOU IN THE LIB WINDOW....
That is about as simple as I can break it down for you.... AGAIN. You won't listen.... AGAIN, and when people start complaining, out come the insane speeches about how your designs are so complex that people must have their CPU's updated to the newest and best of everything.
It's the standard Hyno playbook opening up again...
1. Release a course with known potential problems
2. Act like you have no idea why its happening
3. Release a V2, V3, V7 and so on, doing nothing but changing a few textures or plantings each time.
4. Finally when have no other options and can't keep your course on the 1st page any longer, you declare that it's simply because your designs are so complex compared to all others, that someone must have all the latest and best technology in their machine to be able to play your courses.
Dude, do it right the 1st time. If you want it to be 07 then use 07 stocks. If you want it to be 08 then use all 08 stocks. Same goes with your 04 throwback course. Just stick with 04 stocks. Anyone who has used the CA knows that it isn't hard, as u proclaim, to remove all the obj's from a lib. It's as simple as 3 clicks and u can remove all of the same type obj's from a course. If you have more than one obj that you planted from a conflicting lib, then its a simple 3 more clicks and u can knock those out too. There is no limit... Just use those magic clicks as much as is needed and pretty soon you will have cleaned the course up....
1. Click on the obj u want gone
2. Press and hold the Ctrl button down (maybe its the shift button. I can't remember which right now)
3. While held down put your mouse pointer inside the selected obj and double click....
Bam... Every single one of the same obj you just double clicked on will highlight, wherever it is used on the course. Now comes the hard part...... hit the delete button...... GONE!!!
Works every time!!!
No excuses now.... Do it right!!
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- I wasn't referring to changes on a course over several years. I don't think I even mentioned how your courses change in layout design from year to year. I believe the only reference I made about changes on your courses pertained to how little you do to the course to justify a V2 and then comes the V3 and V4 and so on. Never once addressing the issues people are having. You get massive amounts people complaining about the course crashing, you have several people trying to help you understand the actual problems and what do you do to help the actual real people who downloaded the course and want to play it....... You release another V that changes a few plantings and remakes 2 or 3 greens. The lights are on but nobody is home.....
- I can imagine it must be hard to do golf simulations these days. Esp after you sold off Hyno Designs several years ago and gave up your rights to any new designs. Luckily you were able to negotiate your keeping of the same 4 you release several versions of each year.
- That may be the key for you to replant on your courses but when I update a course to the next years plantings, I just delete everything that is on the course other than the hole layout and replant from there. That way I don't have any old hidden obj's that cause me hours of headache trying to find them.
- This other work you speak about having projects where you have to blend objects to create seamless images.... It may seem like work to you but to the rest of us we call it playing Connect the Dots.... It's amazing how following the numbers in sequence, using a #2 pencil, suddenly blends all those lines you are drawing into a neat seamless picture...
- I wouldn't ever upgrade The Swamp.... But if I did, you are correct, I would start with wiping out the old plantings.
- I can't remember but was Royal Birkdale the same course that you originally promised to help that really nice handicap guy with any issues he may have while designing it? He had issues with terrible pain in his limbs and yet he finished the layout, from his wheelchair. I remember him telling me how much pain he was in some nites after working on the course. Then, after all your assurances of him sending you his tca file so you could run the layout thru for him and give feedback on the holes, you suddenly refuse to send him back his file, tell him its just junk anyway and 1 week later you release the very same course under your name only. You refused to add his name to the course file after he finally came to some of us, asking for help. Then to top it off you openly mocked him for being handicap and called his work a joke, horrible and several other nasty things. When asked for his original TCA file back you never returned it, claiming it was so bad you simply trashed it.... Maybe that was Oakmont..
- Finally, regarding your last statement, I am so dumbfounded by it that you leave me speechless... My stomach thanks you for that..... I'm about to design my stomach around this rack of ribs from No Mercy BBQ here in town.... |
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Biggie,
Enjoy your BBQ
Thanks for your input and advise at this point in time it is not needed.
Good luck with your TW work.. |
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Last off...
Going to switch the wording of this, when time permits. |
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"Biggie,
Enjoy your BBQ
Thanks for your input and advise at this point in time it is not needed.
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I do what I can...
I even let you slide on the comment you posted and then deleted. And some people think I pick on you too much....
I'm just a lover at heart!!
Enjoyed the BBQ.... Not the heartburn!!
No worries about the advice. I'm just glad to see you understand and also agree that using libs in such an irresponsible way is not only the wrong way to design a course but the increased potential for a courses that crashes on 90% of the people who play.
I absolutely look forward to your next release. I'll even go so far as to champion you with leading the cause to keep all new custom courses only using the stock libs from the year they are released. Also to saying "NO" to more than one version of a course being released. Encouraging other designers to use testers and then actually listen to their issues and make changes before its uploaded.
It's a big job but for someone who has designed everything from MLB stadiums to PGA tour courses, this is easy $.. |
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