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| Posted: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 at
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I noticed some courses still have non reflective water and wanted to share something that may help.
Mind you, I may be the last person on earth to realize this but..
First thing happened is I lost reflection on a pond right after I optimized it on first notch after I noticed it said Optimization on first notch was 70% so I optimized on first notch to zero and lost reflections, went back smoothed once on minimum and got reflections right back, so I left detail at 70%...
Second thing I noticed is I made a couple canals on the 18th and thought I would try using a different water lib just to see if it would work and it does.. I always thought and you used to be only able to use 1 pond lib in the past..
Now I don't know if you lose reflections and just change that pond to a different pond lib, that you will get reflections back but these are just a couple of tips that have worked for me.. Would like to know if someone tries changing that one lib, if it gets reflections back..
Hope it helps as I believe it is critical to have reflective water...
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| Posted: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 at
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Hey axe man....
I tried changing pond libs on wolf creek and it did not work to get the reflections back...i tried all sorts of combinations to no avail, I wish we could figure that one out.
On a side note, i have noticed something very strange. I noticed that if I place a very small pond texture circle somewhere on my plot, kinda like we use to do with 07 courses and the ocean texture, that my FPS improves when I compile for the first time..
Mabey it's all in my head and i know that I am loosin it, but i swear it works. |
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| Posted: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 at
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Yeah its a tough one. sometimes you have to raise or lower the banks and that works, was just throwing another tip out there. But I am using 2 different pond libs and they all reflect, maybe I dont need to but as these were my last 2 ponds I decided to try it, I hate it when they go boom..lol
But since this courses water is all done and Im about done with it, I was hoping that someone else who might have the problem would try changing to another pond lib.. Mind you, Im not saying to switch all the ponds, just try changing that one pond lib to another. We should write up a list of things that have worked for us and at least others would have some possible fixes. of course, some just dont mind if they dont reflect and I guess thats cool too. Thanks BG..
I remember about the water trick in 07, interesting about the FPSs. |
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| Posted: Thursday, May 5, 2011 at
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| Is there any visual difference between the various water textures? |
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| Posted: Thursday, May 5, 2011 at
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I would say No jimbo...but then someone would probably correct me ; )
i've never noticed any difference though |
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| Posted: Thursday, May 5, 2011 at
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| Nope. Doesn't anyone remember that you could NEVER use 2 different pond libs? I'm not the oldest one here.. |
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| Posted: Friday, May 6, 2011 at
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As far back as I remember you could only use one water lib on any course at a time. If you used a second, then one or the other would reflect but the other would not. Doesn't matter if it is a pond or ocean or a custom made water texture. However, you used to have to make the water flat, to maximum, or minimum, or at least to contour, but that is no longer the case. Now it will reflect regardless if it is flattened or not. If you are experiencing non-reflective water, then it is probably because somewhere on your course you have used a second water texture. Turn off objects and look at every single one of your water areas and I bet you will find the culprit. Another way is to use the cloaking tool and strip all libraries. Of course you will have to go back in again and redo all textures, but sometimes that is the only solution. What I do each time is only use the cog hill pond for every course design so that way I know it is always the same. In game, they all look the same.
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| Posted: Friday, May 6, 2011 at
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I just tried using 2 different water libs on my latest course and all the water features reflected. As Larry said I always thought that you could only use 1 water lib. It must be one of those CA anomalies. |
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| Posted: Friday, May 6, 2011 at
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"As far back as I remember you could only use one water lib on any course at a time. If you used a second, then one or the other would reflect but the other would not. Doesnt matter if it is a pond or ocean or a custom made water texture. However, you used to have to make the water flat, to maximum, or minimum, or at least to contour, but that is no longer the case. Now it will reflect regardless if it is flattened or not. If you are experiencing non-reflective water, then it is probably because somewhere on your course you have used a second water texture. Turn off objects and look at every single one of your water areas and I bet you will find the culprit. Another way is to use the cloaking tool and strip all libraries. Of course you will have to go back in again and redo all textures, but sometimes that is the only solution. What I do each time is only use the cog hill pond for every course design so that way I know it is always the same. In game, they all look the same.
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My point is, is that I am using 2 different pond libs and both reflect beautifully..:)
I have proven that you can use 2 different ones and still get reflections.(;accidentally of course).
I tried it because I have 8 ponds and didnt want my last to to go non reflective.. Whether they would have or not, I dont know but I changed my last 2 ponds to a different one.. I am using Kclub and Firestone..
Here are 3 tips to getting reflection back that have always worked for me in the past..
1. you can raise or lower the banks.
2. you can smooth the water once. (;I optimized 1 pond on this course to 0% and it went non reflective, I smoothed once and it came back. Another possible fix.
3. if one of your ponds go non reflective, then I suggest changing that pond to a different pond lib and that might help you get reflection back..
I was just wondering if, you know how when textures go transparent? Well, maybe something happens to the water in that regards and one will go non reflective.. So if you change just that one and leave the rest a different lib, it may help.
All guess work mind you..
All my water reflects nicely but I know others have problems and hopefully this helps them out.. |
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| Having a similar issue right now on my course, all the ponds/lakes and tte big river reflect, but the small creek on one hole (get this) only part of doesn't reflect. The first 100 or so yards by the green reflects fine, then the next couple hunderd yards don't reflect, and the last probably 50 yards reflect again, and it's all one shape. I tried the changing that stream to a different water texture and it had no effect. Gonna try a quick smooth when I get a chance and report back. I just find it strange that parts of the same body of water reflect and some don't. |
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| Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at
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I hear ya. This year 08 has been really funky with water.. I almost always get reflections back by raising or lowering the banks... On the course I'm working on right now, I had to remove a small out of the way creek as I just can't make it happpen and I would rather not have it then not have reflections.. However in some cases you just have to have it and as mentioned earlier I almost always fix it by adjusting the depth..
I had a very deep river on one of my earlier courses and everything reflected good after some adjustments, accept one pond, I had to lower it as deep as the river, some 15ft to get it to reflect..
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I tried everything and still couldn't get the middle section to reflect. I tried removing all the bridges, changing the bank depths, different pond textures, deleting the creek and dropping a new one, still nothing. I'm starting to think it might have to do with that fact that the creek meanders down a 50 foot hill, and at the top and bottom, where it's flat, it reflects, but in the middle where the elevation change is, it doesn't.
Anyway, I ended up taking the creek out and moving the trees a bit closer and adding some bunkers. Already had over 100 bunkers, what's a few more lol. |
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| Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at
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Played stock Sawgrass the other day and ALOT of the water didnt reflect. So happens on stock courses too.
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| Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at
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| I liked that creek too ... |
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| Yeah, well, it's your fault Bobby, you noticed the dang thing and then I couldn't get it off my mind LOL. Funny thing, I started with the old Sumter plot for the layout, and after you mentioned the reflection problem I went back and loaded that course and it was the same way there, too. All these years and I never noticed it. I still gotta go with it having to do with the 50 ft elevation change of the creek as it went down that hill. |
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| Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 at
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sorry to say but these things happen regardless of the situation you have.. It's pretty much impossible to flatten a creek like yours but I like your attitude, if it aint right then your better off without it.. One thing that I can't stand is an awesome course with water that doesn't reflect..
Now, on the course I'm working on, one pond doesn't reflect when you look at it from a distant hole but when on other holes and on that hole, it reflects gr8.. I just hope no one looks back at hole 3 from hole 15 lol... |
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| Posted: Friday, August 2, 2013 at
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Axe you know that us other designers look around at those little things :)
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| Lol Bill.. I would expect nothing less. :) |
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| Posted: Friday, August 2, 2013 at
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| Now the entire pond on 16 isn't reflecting and it always use to and I haven't touched a thing near it in weeks. I forgot how much I love the architect LOL |
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| I lowered the pond on 16 a foot and got reflections back, but then they went away in spots on the big river on the back 9. I flattened that along contour and got those reflections back, and now ALL bodies of water reflect. It's like a dog chasing it's tail trying to get everything to reflect correctly lol |
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