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| Posted: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 at
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The ole transparent textures problem. I still nostalgically run 05 courses in TW06 since I dont like 05. Any crashes are solved by having animated trees off when using 05 courses in 06, but the only other issues are invisible/transparent textures. Ive included a picture(;if it works) to illustrate. The map always shades the transparent areas in black, and those corresponding areas are transparent on the course. In this picture, the lie that is transparent is the rough. They can be large areas, like in Wentworth 05, where the intermediate rough is see-through. Nothing i change graphics-wise will fix this, like turning off grass, hole perimeter, etc. The bad textures are not transparent when I play the same courses in TW05 though. I use TW04-08.
Since i dont design, i dont know where to even begin to look. Past topics came so close, but all i learned was in the design area on having high points counts, which i cant fix. Since the bad textures work fine in 05, i just guessed it was a conflicting/missing filename or the 06 engine. I know i have all of my stock+add-on 05 and 04libraries installed in Course Utilities 06.
I have current drivers for everything, plus all other games run everything smooth at max graphics, including TW08. 1GB RadeonHD4650, XPHomeSP3, P4, Dell 1703fp(;1280x1024).
Thanks pointing me in the right direction! |
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| Posted: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 at
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| Posted: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 at
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| my first file was a bmp so it didnt show...notice in the pictures above that when the same point is viewed from above, you can see the textures, but once panned to about level with the horizon, the transparency started, but only at wentworth. all the other courses, cypress point, merion, gleneagles, the transparency happened when viewed from any height/angle. Every time it was from either deep rough or rough. |
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| Posted: Thursday, June 24, 2010 at
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| I have had the same problem with the 05 version of the Atlanta Athletic Club Highlands course on tw07. The course will load, but with missing textures. I really wish somebody would do an updated version of this course. I think it's the only course not available for TW07 or TW08 that has hosted a major in the last 20 years. |
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| Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 at
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thanks for the input, i've been wondering if this was a widespread occurrence among users or just me. i guess it makes sense if some older graphics technologies don't flow well in a newer year's engine. without being able to modify those textures myself, what else can i do? it would seem like i should be able to use a hex editor, my dds converter, or something to find that referenced bad texture and replace/rename it with one that does work. it certainly isn't a .dds file, i've looked at them all, and i can modify a lot of stuff, but i guess only course life system things, like blimps/balls/logos/birds.
since no one else wants to talk about this, i assume i've crossed some invisible boundary in posting and we're simply not supposed to discuss fixing this? i spent forever searching the forums. really, what keyword should i have used? i tried invisible, see through, transparent, texture, etc, standing on my head. i never post unless i've tried everything. i see some pretty dumb questions and i just don't see how mine would take anyone more than a few minutes to say: 'yes you're dumb, that post is here!' or 'no, we can't talk about that here'. surely a ton of people had this problem and it's been resolved and i just can't use the search function well: search 'most popular, in topic body, etc.' |
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| Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2010 at
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No, you havent crossed any line..And of course, your not dumb..I just doubt anyone that may know the answer has seen this yet..
This may not help, but may be a piece of the puzzle. Now, knowing that you cannot have more then 65,000 points on any 1 texture or you will get transparent textures. I used to have a relatively lets say weak video card atiX300 and I designed a course and didnt really understand the theory of staying under 65,000 points for 1 texture, but!!!
I built a course that had textures over 65,000 points, but I could not see them with my video card.. Everything looked good to me until I had someone test the course, that had a better video card and they pointed them out right away, but I could not see them.. Dont know if that happened in this case.. Or it could be that you were allowed more points on a texture in 1 year versus another year, I know some courses act different in different years.. Either way, Im not sure if you can do anything about it, but maybe someone with more expertise then I, will reply.. Sorry, not much help Im afraid... |
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| Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2010 at
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That is a lot of help, thank you very much for taking the time to write!
...bit of a catch 22 if i go back to my old ati fireGL X1 9700 128MB card; i will lose a lot of performance (versus my current 1GBram radeon 4650) but it may solve the transparent textures issue if i understand correctly. i don't know much about points limits, i just assumed a better card would be more likely to handle textures over 65,000.
it's not surprising that i get the worst framerates on those courses. it's weird how i get great performance in TW08' with nearly max graphics on many downloaded courses but have those 2005 courses run sloppy in 06' even with graphics turned down. but then again i guess that's normal, there's just some courses that run well for certain graphics cards. i shouldn't complain, i can just play those troubled courses in 05 instead.
yea maybe someone knows an old trick. i wished i could somehow open that tcl or tcr that controls what texture is assigned. i guess i don't know how architect works either. i know i can design my own course but it will never let me open an already completed one. honestly i'd rather take an already good course and tweak it a little, like making greater elevation changes on some courses, faster greens, fixing these transparent textures. i bet no one wants their course altered and that's where the line is drawn. so, short of altering a tcr/tcl, which i think i've been told before is impossible (when i asked about adjusting green speeds in another post), there's likely no trick because it's maybe a copyright thing?
thanks again for the great input, i appreciate you'lls time very much.. |
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| Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2010 at
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Your very welcome wncapt.. Yep, probably the best thing to do is play that year in that year..
Like I said, not sure 100% if it's the graphics card thing I mentioned, or playing it in a different year's game.
But nothing I know of that you can do..
Take care, good luck.
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| Posted: Monday, June 28, 2010 at
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thanks again...
so actually i was mistaken about the transparent textures working fine with their corresponding year: before i only tested the first few holes and assumed it was all good but i get transparent textures running wentworth 05 in tw05 with my newer graphics card too starting on hole 9 (could this actually be the gradual time of day change in the game?). i just put back in my old graphics card, an ATI FireGLX1 9700 128MB, made sure all the drivers were good and then played TW05, wentworth 05' version. still transparent. however, wentworth 04' version works fine in tw06' on both graphics cards. i still don't believe it's just the courses' max points (since they work for most other people), surely it's my setup...
just trying to eliminate my suspects 1 by 1, so next i will install tw06 only on another computer with i believe a similar graphics card as you, ati x300 (both computers are XP home SP3 32bit but this is a pentium 4 CPU but with 3.4GHz versus my regular 1.8GHz (i'm using old pentium 4's but at least I upped my power supply to 500W (vs. factory 250W) and 1GB cpu ram (vs. factory 512MB)on my primary gaming computer to slightly help my newer 1GBram video card)). I will try importing JUST the necessary libraries for wentworth 05' instead of installing all 04' and 05' custom/stock libraries to eliminate conflicts. so 3 birds in one stone: reinstallion of tw06 (haven't tried), another graphics card(on same OS but i've already tried 2 diff. graphics cards), and getting rid of possible conflicts (04, 05, 06 and 08 custom/stock libraries/courses).
if wentworth 05'(my litmus test)works in tw06' without transparencies on the other computer, then I know it's either my card or the reinstallation that worked, and I'll go from there. ultimately i know i can use the 04' version in 06', but there aren't 04' versions of all the 05' courses that give me transparencies. i'll update the final result to this...i hope again that someone else may benefit from the details in this post. thanks! |
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| Posted: Monday, June 28, 2010 at
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how many times have i hit the post button and it says 'an error has occurred' and i lose everything! i forgot to constantly copy my text...
ok so a follow-up, i did the install on the other computer exactly to my specs in the previous post and still transparent textures. a new tw06, new libraries, different computer and different graphics card, same. even when i install 05' and play wentworth 05' in tw05' on the other computer, same. so that would seem to place blame on the course? i still don't believe that the 1000's of other wentworth 05' downloaders had my problems and simply ignored them. my only ideas now are trying another OS or finding evidence that other people have had similar issues and resolved them. |
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| reinstalled windows, no joy. i'm focusing now on catalyst control center, the program that allows lots of graphical options, almost too many for my card. yes i tried adjusting anti-aliasing settings since they affect transparent textures, nothing. maybe i'll find the magical setting that will allow >65,000 points textures to display like they do for so many other people. i think the transparent textures are an issue on my other computer because even though it's a different card, it's still an ati radeon and is controlled with the same 'catalyst control center' that my radeon 4650 uses. even when i disable 'CCC' via msconfig (CLIstart.exe) and ati hotkey which disables all the ati helper programs, i still get transparent textures. the funny thing is all those 'helper programs' like CCC for ati cards never give the great framerates that i get when they are disabled. maybe it's because i'm not doing something right, but it all seems pretty straightforward to me. does everyone else use 'helper programs' to overclock cards or customize settings and do you'll notice a difference with them disabled? if you do use 'helper programs, how do you ensure that the tweaks you make take effect immediately, do you simply reload another hole, restart tw, or do nothing? |
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| Posted: Friday, July 2, 2010 at
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I will download Wentworth 05 and play it to see if the same thing happens to me. I have a Radeon 4650 graphics card. I will let you know the results. |
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| Posted: Friday, July 2, 2010 at
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I have just played Wentworth 05 in TW2005. OK until I got to hole 9. Then holes 9, 10, 12 and 13 had transparent textures. IMO this is a points count issue on the original course file and no amount of computer adjustment will ever cure it. The designer made an excellent job of this and in doing so strayed over the 65,000 points per texture. Sorry but I think you have been pursuing a lost cause. As Axe stated in a previous comment now we have better quality graphics cards we can see these problems, and maybe when the courses were first designed even the designers did not have graphics cards good enough to detect the problem. Hope this helps you to resolve this problem. |
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| Posted: Saturday, July 3, 2010 at
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yes helps a bunch. thanks a ton from both of you'll!
i'm kind of lucky both of you'll had the same graphics cards as me, a 4650 and an atiX300 and i feel better knowing both high and low end cards yield the same result; it's not specific to just me. i wonder what kind of core you have in your computer with that 4650 and how much of a difference it makes playing tw08. i ashamed to still have my original pentium 4 single core @1.8GHz, but i really noticed a vast improvement anyway. i can max on some courses in 08 with high framerates but i wonder how much i'm missing? i used to not be able to even load tw06 start menu when i first started playing last summer with my stock config, only tw04. cheers and many thanks to all... |
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