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| Posted: Friday, December 4, 2009 at
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| On the new course I am attempting to complete I have noticed this anomaly with the water reflections. On several ponds/lakes if you play one hole the water does not reflect but if you play the same pond on another hole the water reflects. I will attach 4 screenshots showing the same pond, 2 taken while playing hole 12 (in practice mode), the other two taken while playing hole 13 (all taken from virtually the same position). The course I am doing is called Thunder Hill near Madison, Ohio. This course is based around approx 50 ponds/lakes and has proved very difficult to retain all the water reflections (at present approx 14 of the ponds are not reflecting). I have tried deleting and completely re-doing the relevant ponds without success. Has anyone any ideas what may be causing the above problem and any tips on how to retrieve the missing reflections. I realize that I may be asking too much of CA with this course but do not want to delete too many of the ponds, as this will spoil the whole idea of the course. Best regards, Jimbo63. |
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| Posted: Friday, December 4, 2009 at
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| Posted: Friday, December 4, 2009 at
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| Posted: Friday, December 4, 2009 at
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| Posted: Friday, December 4, 2009 at
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| It may have to do with where the sun is coming from. Does changing the time of day have any impact? |
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| Posted: Friday, December 4, 2009 at
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I had the same problem on Atchafalaya. Yes pulling ones hair out is always an option.
What worked for me, and I have no idea why, was to add a small shape of the same texture in your buffer area. I know the problem has to do with textures, but have no idea why it worked.
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| Posted: Friday, December 4, 2009 at
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| I have just tried playing those 2 holes at different times of day and it makes no difference. I took the four pics from the same side of the pond, facing the same way on both holes, so the sun should be on the same side for all 4 pics. Could this be an inconsistency of the CA? |
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| Posted: Friday, December 4, 2009 at
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| Thanks for the tips guys. I have tried them both without any success. I did succeed in getting 3 more holes back, I don't know what brought them back, I re-laid them as I had previously tried and the reflections returned. I then tried to do another one and lost 2 of the 3 I had just retrieved, so I had to go back to my last saved file. Eaglphan you are right about pulling your hair out, this problem is so frustrating. Think I'll go and have a beer and watch the boxing on TV, before I throw this computer thru the window. |
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| Posted: Friday, December 4, 2009 at
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| edited by: jmeier on
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| Layout the water all at once. If you need to try to recompile the existing reflections you can try deleting the .sta files under the TW08\courses folder in my documents. There may be other issues as well. make sure you have only one water texture used and that the point count on all of the water is not too high as well. |
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| Posted: Sunday, December 6, 2009 at
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| are you using more than one type of water on the course? this has been known to cause similar issues. the course can only handle one water type at a time or it will not reflect correctly - sometimes it will, sometimes it won't. |
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| Posted: Sunday, December 6, 2009 at
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| Many thanks for all the tips. I am using only one water texture. I have tried all of the above suggestions without success. There are at least 4 ponds on the course that are behaving as I have described above, plus another 11 that do not reflect at all. As there are 50 plus ponds on this course I can probably get rid of most of the non-reflecting water, but there are 4 very strategically placed ponds that I can't get rid of without seriously affecting the realness of the course. As a last resort I could probably get rid of them and release it as a fantasy course, based on the real course. Having seen the recent adverse comments on some courses not being 'real' enough, I am very reluctant to release this course at all in its present state. |
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| Posted: Sunday, December 6, 2009 at
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| edited by: axe360 on
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You know what I have said works for me most of the time, try playing with the elevation of the banks. I had one pond on my course in progress that as soon as I lowered it, I lost some reflections on another pond off in the distance.
But that pond still reflected good up close. So I played with the elevations of the first pond and when I got it right, both ponds reflected all the time.. But, who knows..
As far as a course being labeled real or not. Well, I cant make structures, so as far as Im concerned as long as the layout is correct as to the TA, with bunkers and ponds in the right spots, how much more real can we make them?
You go by what pics and overheads and maps you have and do the best you can, but as long as things are in the right spot, what else can we do?
I have asked the question before, what are the requirements to make a REAL course and got the same response basically. We dont all have the luxury of playing the course in person. Unless you know for a fact there is a huge tree in the way on a par 3 or something, or if you could actually see that, in the pics/overheads/google map that you have available to you, then you have to be a little creative in adding things to make the course enjoyable but keeping it as real as YOU can..Hope this helps:)
Having said that. There are designers out there that do make courses way more exact then what I have described, and more power to them, especially on the more famous courses, a par 3 with a 20ft uphill shot, should be as close to that as possible..
I was just trying to say what I think the minimum should be, and of course you should always do the best that you know how and I think you will be alright...
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| Posted: Sunday, December 6, 2009 at
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Bud...I wish only the best for you trying to track that down... :)
When I did Jolly Rogers, I had a few ponds that I finally changed texture on to keep what reflection I could...
After axe360 suggested the bank manipulation, I tried everything I could think of to correct it on a scratch plot I had from the mass saves of creating, with no luck...
I thought I had it figured out at one time, noticing a pretty consistent issue with surrounding elevation...
ex... one pond in particular I wanted to keep, so (;on the scratch plot) I started dropping other ponds around it, I could put one 10ft lower and it would reflect, but still not the original... drop another 5ft lower, and it not reflect, but bring reflection back to both of the others... and so on... until I gave up...lmao
I do know that axes method of working the bank elevations does work, and it did work on some of mine, but not all...
I think youll know if you feel comfortable calling it REAL or not, you do pretty dang good elevation work, and a serious eye for detail, so I wouldnt really see it being an issue...
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| Posted: Sunday, December 6, 2009 at
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Ahh yes, fedex is so right. I can say that I have only been skunked 1 time on all of my course, where I had to change water into dirt. No miracle I assure you..lol
This only popped up this year that I remember.. Still I have no real idea what does it.. |
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| Posted: Sunday, December 6, 2009 at
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| Maybe one could enlighten me on this one lol.. Picture was taken from two different areas of the course. |
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| Posted: Monday, December 7, 2009 at
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Boze, Isnt that what my problem was just recently? The water on the 10th wouldnt reflect from hole #1, but when I was on the 10th it was fine.. Remember, it wasnt the water on the 10th that I changed to fix it. It was the water behind the 1st tee that was messing with the water on the 10th.. And when the water on the 1st tee was FLAT, both waters worked perfect but when I lowered that pond it screwed up the water on the 10th. So I went back and played with the depth that I would lower that pond and finally got the right depth, and now both ponds reflect nicely.
So maybe you have another pond that is doing the same thing and maybe you can try flattening it, and changing the elevations of that bank.. I am finding that sometimes one pond/lake is hurting another pond/lake.. Worth a look anyway... |
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| Posted: Monday, December 7, 2009 at
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| I think that fedexfrt357 is correct, it is something to do with elevation work. I can re-do the elevations on one pond that has missing reflections and another pond that was previously OK will lose its reflections. This one has me well and truly beaten. |
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| Posted: Monday, December 7, 2009 at
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| Thanks axe, I guess I'll just keep farting around with it. ; ) |
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| Posted: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at
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| "I think that fedexfrt357 is correct..." |
As I got most of my advice and help with my reflection issues from axe... I would have to say, the credit should go in the right direction...lol :)
We were never quite able to pinpoint whether it is within a certain range of the culprit pond, or how it links to the buffers surrounding it... Very frustrating i must say...
I believe the bank manipulation is probably the best bet, as the ponds that I had to remove were very shape specific (skull and crossbones, dagger), and I wasnt allowed the flexibility of reshaping... The ones that I could reshape without losing the effect I was after were restored with this method (around the greens).
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| Posted: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 at
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| As you mention fedexfrt I have tried changing the bank elevation and will retrieve one pond but lose two others somewhere else on the course. I am almost convinced that it is an elevation problem and works in some sort of pattern across the course, but cannot work out the pattern. But this does not explain why you can see reflections when playing one hole but cannot see them on another hole (when it is the same lake, viewed from almost the same position by placing the golfer in position in practice mode) On reflection (forgive this little pun) I was too ambitious trying to do a course with 54 ponds/lakes, with the water having to be levelled 20 feet on some of the lakes and some of the ponds are close together. I suppose that only having approx 10 that do not reflect at all is probably a good result. I will probably have to carry on with the course as it is, as there is no way I can improve this number. |
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