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| Posted: Monday, May 25, 2009 at
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I have found out I made my pot bunkers walls to thin, and now the shot goes through the bunker wall. So I gotta redo all my pot bunkers Ive done so far.......hehehe
Since I only had three holes with tees, fairways, greens, and bunkers done. Im going to just going to go around making sure I have everything smoothed & optimized right on the WHOLE course before laying any more bunkers in the ground. I was impatience & let the excitement of seeing holes completed get the best of me instead of staying on the right course. Plus, the areas that surround my course werent smooth enough because I was going for the rugged look because it matched the pano. Now that I learned I need to get the most smoothing & optimizing one can do with flatting the lands for good FPS. Im redoing the surrounding areas too.
Some serious trail & error with this stuff, and can only imagine what the pioneers of course design went through to make what we know today. I bet their are new ways of doing things still being made-up today.
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Will going over spots more than once with smoothing & optimizing effect performance no matter how right I make now it because I was there already there before ?
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Squirrely
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| Posted: Monday, May 25, 2009 at
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Here is a picture below to explain what I trying to explain:
Bottom left is where I smoothed & optimized all over again, and see how it's not close to the other elevation work I did in other paces. Haven't done much at all in elevation work on the back 9 playing area itself yet, but did the mountain like area surround the back 9. I'm in the process of figuring out what exactly I gotta do to fix hole #2 without messing up the green elevation because I love the way it is playing right now, but before I go any further, I want to make sure this isn't go to be all for nothing & won't work no matter what I do. It would be probably easier to just start over, but I'm learning a lot from having to do all this, and don't want to give up on this course.
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Squirrely
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| Posted: Monday, May 25, 2009 at
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I don't really understand what you mean by "it was already there before" but you should be fine smoothing and optimizing an area a few times with no real troubles. Make a lot of Saves so if something goes bad you can backup to a previous spot.
Just try and smooth and optimize as little as possible....be efficient and try different levels of the slider bar ...try the slider toward the left side for bunkers and greens and more towards the middle for bigger elevation work and mounds.
I've smoothed and optimized creases in my fairway/fringe 5 or more times trying to get it too look right.
Hey...and what do you mean by the bunker walls are so thin the ball goes right through them...you mean like it's a black hole and the ball disappears?
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| Posted: Monday, May 25, 2009 at
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Squirrely, one thing I am finally learning to do, (;thanks to Homeboys tutorials)is to have a method of doing things that protects one thing from another. IE: Working from tee to green. But doing the green before doing the bunker work around the green. Thus avoiding many of those raised edges around the greens, and dropping your fringe last to avoid same.
Im sure there are other methods, but I have found this one works better, then any I had.
But having a system down sure helps a lot. |
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| Posted: Monday, May 25, 2009 at
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Yeah, I did that when I was doing single holes following Homeboys tee to green techniques, but totally lost all composure when I jumped to a whole course. I forget the ways of smart design, and got wrapped up in wanting to see holes finished instead of staying the course of Homeboys tutorials. My fault completely, and wont do all this again, but now Im at the point where if going over things again with a 2nd smoothing/otimize isnt able to get the preformace like just doing it only once. I might just start from scratch, but I wanted to see this project through if possible. Even if it more of a headache repairing things, but if the performance is going to take a huge hit even if I go over a land plot with a 2nd smooth & optimizing. I dont want to continue it for a lost cause, and it not have good FPS at the designs end. Made my surrounding hills have a rugged look like the pano, and figured I would just optimize the fairways, bunkers, greens, and all would be good, but cant do that without having point count trouble . Dont know what the heck I was thinking when doing this, and didnt see the big picture with only the playing surface with good smoothing & optimizing.
POT BUNKER: shot going through front side wall
While testing in practice mode it shows the ball going straight up the front wall when actually the ball is going through the wall itself, and popping out in front of the bunker ground level. Used only 3 inch side wall texture, and then moved in my sand texture in 1 inch leaving only 2 inch think wall texture. I have to make it at least 5 inch think wall texture for this not to happen. All this time I though I was hitting good shots out to the bunker when testing too........LOL
Sorry if I explain things all messed up. My writing skills & forming good grammar sentences isnt good at all. Its not that I dont know the words & all, and have a IQ of 164, but explaining my mind on paper isnt my strongest area. Been running construction jobs sites most my adult life, and havent had the need to write, use computers, or anything you find in a office environment. Just had to know how to read prints, do math, keep things moving smooth, and sign my name to work orders. Will post pictures from now on when trying to explain things because I need all those 1,000 words to help me out.....LOL
Plus, I need to learn all the design language to know what all these thing are call or the name of the techniques themselves.
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Squirrely
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| Posted: Monday, May 25, 2009 at
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Squirrely, when I do an entire course, I do things no differently than in my Complete Hole Design Tutorial. The only difference is thinking about how elevation work will flow into the adjacent holes. That takes a little forethought, but otherwise my design technique is the same.
Draw a buffer shape around a hole and then start working tee to green as Axe says. Works every time for me :) |
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| Posted: Monday, May 25, 2009 at
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OK
I'll do that, and I think I'll do better going hole to hole than trying to do terrain work here & there, and move to some fairway, green, & bunkers. Then moving over there, then to that hole, and then back across the course. Made things very hard for myself doing it this way. I'm keeping the 1st course, but keeping it for a side project because I think with a whole lot of work it could be a OK course once finished. Just going to take some serious repair work with all the craziness. Boy, it's a mess right now, but at least I learned so much from making those mistakes.
Already did a ruff layout for another course, and I'm going to do it just like your tutorials as my guide. Every time I've used your tutorials as a guide while making a hole everything is smooth, good, and right on. Just lost all that thinking with this last full course with having to worry about the whole land I suppose. Plus, I got all crazy with my terrain work, and leaving the edges jagged like to look like the pano mountains. It's a smoothing nightmare right now, and I can only laugh at myself for doing it........LOL
I'll just put it down has two weeks of some serious lessons learned, and I'm sure there will be many more lessons in the future, but if I follow your tutorials like I did making single holes at first. I will be way better off without question.
Thanks for the help everyone
Squirrely
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