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I'd suggest that voting for your own course shouldn't be allowed.
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| Posted: Monday, May 11, 2009 at
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| Posted: Monday, May 11, 2009 at
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| edited by: Hyno Designs on
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You know Ive been reading a lot of late about these ratings.
I dont use the rating system on this site, cause it would only tick me off.
However I do use it on YouTube. I cant rate my own stuff on YouTube....
So we can use my videos for an example:
It is funny cause people dont like Sergio Garcia, so most of my Sergio videos get rated rather low. The quality on all them are near mint and can be viewed in HQ. All the Tiger Woods stuff is basically 5 stars, even if it was an old VHS recording. These courses could be viewed the same way. However, lets face it some courses are going to be better than others.
This one is a 3 star rating, cause people dont like Monti. To me this is not a 3 star video, it is rather rare and another example why Tiger is so awesome. I did a nice job on the edits, it is a 25 minute video that I broke down to fit on youtube. I only have 2 ratings, one guy posted a 5 and the Monti hater posted a 1. (;(;(;(;Now this video has been viewed around 800 times and only 2 people voted, not that good if you ask me))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiCFbbyPI4Q&feature=PlayList&p=7E137B3E84855F51&index=29
Now this one had a low rating for a while, like 2 or 3. People saw the low rating and rated it higher cause they felt the rating was too low. It was hard breaking this up with edits to fit under 10 minutes. People dont even look at the hard work that went in to bring someone something for free! This video has a lot of drama also...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3zQSrXu_Iw
At the end of the day, I dont care what people rate these videos cause I have so many of them, but it is cool to look at what people like or dislike....The comments are always fun to read, unless someone goes over the line.....The cool thing is I can delete them.....
Custom golf courses are different cause they take so long to make. At the same time it is hard to produce something that is 5 stars. Sometimes, in our own eyes, a lower end course gets a higher rating. Yea I dont like that. I try to use my own standards, since 2007, only released courses that I felt were kind of complete. Or I redid courses that I didnt like. Truth is, I still have some 07 courses that need a ton of work.
Most of the stuff that I have uploaded to this site, I have revised copies of. Cause you always see little things to change down the line. That is why it is hard to rate anything a 5. However playing Homeboys courses it is hard to find anything that is out of place. So he is really good at completing courses. One of my goals was to finally send out a few courses that I really never needed to go back and change. Have I done this, I dont really know, but I need to get a PC with XP to start doing some more work for this game. |
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| Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at
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| Maybe comments and voting should be part of a mandatory web form where one can submit the form with comment only or comment and rating but not with a rating only. |
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| edited by: jimi on
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| Id second all that. Now lets see whar cello thinks :) |
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| Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at
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If someone takes the time to rate a course, I think it's only fair that they should leave a comment on why they feel this way..............
When I finally release a course one day. I would want people to tell me where I could improve things with my designing skills, and if my course only deserves a two rating. I would be fine with all that because I'm a realist, and know my courses aren't going to stack up with others who have way more experience than me doing this stuff. You can't buy experience, and that's just the way it is with stuff like this, but I could improve my skills with constructive criticism from others who have walk the road I plan on walking one day.
Now if there are people out there only rating courses low or high without even playing them because of who designed the course. That's week, and a little childish in my eyes, but nothing shocks me with what people are capable of anymore....... :P
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| Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at
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One thing is for sure, crying about the ratings and berating other designers on there course comments page, is not being respectful.
I don't care who you are, you don't have to put people down, and you don't have to cry about the ratings system on designers comments page. I think the 2or 3 people who have been doing this lately, know who they are.
Just my feelings. Let's all be gentlemen.
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How is stating an honest opinion being disrespectful? Why has this society gotten so pc that we are not allowed to make any comments unless they only say nice things. Not everyone may have the same tastes, likes etc, so we are then not able to express that? We just sit in a corner and not say anything I guess
It seems of late that many desingers start flame wars if you do not post nice things to say about the courses. If your are not a designer then you do not appreciate the hours it takes to make a course, so a player cannot say anything. if you are a designer and you make a comment that the person releasing the course does not agree with, then you get flamed also. I see it as a no win situation.
Alot of this clique favoritism, behaviors and such have gotten so bad that for me personally I am not sure if I am going to be doing any more public course design. It has nothing to do with the comments or ratings I get. It is just the attitudes I have seen of late in regards to comments and ratings. I really feel it is very detrimental to the community.
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| Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at
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I feel your smart enough to know what I was talking about.
And they only thing I will complain about, is someone crying about the ratings system on someone elses course comments page, and/or making childish remarks as to someones skills.
I feel there is a better place to take these issues up. Period!
It just doesnt help.
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| Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at
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Agree with most of what you're saying Larry, but when someone comes out and states that they gave their own course 5 stars, then to me he's fair game.
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| Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at
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| Agreed Neil, that does cross the line!!!!! |
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| Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at
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JSJarvis posted somewhere about voting patterns he'd noticed. It may even have been on that course remarks section that the designer has turned off along with his rating, which was plummeting despite his 5. (or more likely because of it). Anyway I can't find that post so I assume it was on the course thread.
Seems some people have it in for PGAX designs in particular and have been voting their courses down and their own or friends courses up. IMO these people should get turfed out (play on words there)
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| Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at
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The comment that I made was on the last PGAX course, Quail Hollow, after I looked at the votes on it. I have seen these odd patterns in voting for a quite a while now on various courses which is why I recommend that people do not use them as the main way of choosing what courses to download. For a long time I have seen some architects vote their courses with a 5 (not just the most recent case). To me this is just sad on many levels. What is worse is when an arch votes their course high and only a few seconds later goes through and votes every other recent course with a 1 in an attempt to improve how their course looks (yes, I have seen this as well).
Honestly, I think the ratings are not very useful right now because of these issues, but if we took them away some people would complain since some use them as a gauge of what courses to download. If we forced people to comment when they voted, it would eliminate some of the buddy voting that we are seeing now (but not all of it) and would result in people not being completely honest in how they feel about a course. Without a rating system (which we had in the past), we would run into an issue where the download numbers would be an indicator of how `good` a course is and we would have courses downloaded over and over just to boost the numbers.
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Name and shame would be a good start, let everyone know who these people are.
How about a form for when people rate courses.
Say 5 sections (only because 5 is the max vote atm)
Design 1/5
Planting 1/5
Technique 1/5
realism 1/5
Playability 1/5
These sections are just a quick suggestion, im sure there are better.
Divide the total by 5 and you have your course rating.
and this form will be shown along with any comments in course comments section.
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| Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 at
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That is a pretty good suggestion, Munroco. It would force people who rate a course to at least give some thought to their rating. It would also give some indication of what kind of fictional course we are dealing with, another isuue that has come uy repeatedly. F.i. a course that is rated low on realism but high on playability would obviously be a fantasy design, whereas a fictional course that is rated high on realism and low on playability could be one of my own, lol.
P.S. To rate my latest YouTube effort, go here:
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| Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 at
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"Name and shame would be a good start, let everyone know who these people are.
How about a form for when people rate courses.
Say 5 sections (only because 5 is the max vote atm)
Design 1/5
Planting 1/5
Technique 1/5
realism 1/5
Playability 1/5
These sections are just a quick suggestion, im sure there are better.
Divide the total by 5 and you have your course rating.
and this form will be shown along with any comments in course comments section.
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Cool idea
I like that idea of making separate ratings, and this way a designer could see where they might need to improve with their designing skills.
If I ever release a course, this would be great for me to see where my weakness are. Plus I've seen where some feel a course shouldn't be considered a fantasy because it could be a real course anywhere in the world. Having that realism rating would take care of those concerns by some.
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