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| Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 at
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| Wasn't someone supposedly working on a newer version of Oakmont C.C.? Just wondering if there was any updates on this course? |
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| Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 at
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| Should be out soon according to my sources :) |
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| Posted: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at
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| edited by: ZB on
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| The chaps hidden away at PGAX Team design, are just about finished on this course. Once it has been used on the PGAX Tour, Im sure it will be released here for everyone to enjoy, rate & slate etc LOL |
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| Posted: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at
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| Ok, thanks ZB! |
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| Posted: Friday, November 28, 2008 at
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| edited by: ronbrug on
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Sorry to say, but this course isnt going to be released this year.
I have to start over again, because the course wasnt the way i wanted.
So i takes atleast two more months.
Its the toughest course i have ever worked on, because all the shapes , like bunkers fairways , are so close to each other that its hard to add some buffershapes.
So now i layed out a new plot and start adding buffer shapes and the start designing.
WHen that is done i draw in the roughs, paths, that should work.
The good things is that i saw on golfarchtitectpictures that they updated the pictures, they had pictures off the course before the USOpen 2007, now they have the updated course pictures, i think there about 10 pictures for each hole.
I am gonne make it as tough as on the Us Open 2007, so 10 feet med rough around the holes, then the deep rough , and alot off weed rough.
They adjust the course for the US open, so they added the medium rough.
I saw some commnets that they made the change for the players because it would be to tough , but the members off the club playing the course whitout the medium rough, and whit greens that are very very fast.
The USGA wants Oakmonts greens at 13 to 13.5 for the Open.
Which brings up another characteristic about Oakmont. The members play on greens that are faster than the speeds set for this tournament. In autumn, when conditions are drier, Oakmont greens register 14 to 15 or higher.
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| Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2008 at
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| edited by: Hyno Designs on
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Ronbrug,
Honestly, This course was pretty easy to do, it has no water..I just copied the x-box links game, little did I know the elevation shifts were off on a professional designed game !!!
The 1st time the back 9 took 1 day to do. That was when back in the speed designing days......
If you have played insane greens in your career, you kind of get a general idea how to make them.
When my course was reshaped, basically it was my own method for visual effects only. Than I added in some trees that I wanted back on the course like the old days.
Dont know...
I dont even have the 08 game anymore, PC died, lost 2 08 courses forever. (;That is 3 for the year)
Now my PC DVD drive will not read the 08 game to even install it.
Our State Open is at Oakmont next year, who knows.....
I interviewed several members about the course. They do say the greens can run at a 15. People can putt ball off the green and in to the rough. The members also claimed the greens were slow for the US Open. But the rough was brutal !! Dont know....Have all 4 rounds on DVD....
For example the teeing area on this hole needs to be flatten...It takes 5 minutes.... |
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| Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2008 at
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Back when I was doing this swing test project of Tiger, I took pics of his swing off the TV. The DVD I used was Oakmont, cause he said he was swinging his best...
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| Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2008 at
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| Hey guys....Golf.com has a hole by hole layout of this quality..... |
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| Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2008 at
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Making the course isnt that hard like Hyno said, but the Dem i get makes the course tough.
Alot of holes slopes 40 yards to the rigth, and greens 20 feet or more.
I got about 100 pictures so that isnt a problem, and found the dvd.
I think i need two weeks, then it should be ready for testing. |
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| Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2008 at
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| Chris I had the same problem. Since I bought my new pc last year there are certtain pc ghames that it just refuses to read. I bought a stand alone dvd drive. Just a few bucks. |
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| Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2008 at
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Jimi,
Tiger Woods 08 is the only DVD my player will not read. During the summer it would never load. I spent 1 hour with it in my DVD player trying to install and nothing. My PC has two dvd players. Right now I don’t feel like spending 4 hours re-downloading the libs & courses. That is even getting lucky and having the disk work 1 time to install it. Yes that extra DVD player may get the disk to run. Who knows I may get bored in the winter and want to play computer golf.
By the way the 09 TW XBOX-360 is not very good it doesnt have the feel of the PC game. I was looking at the trees on Bay Hill, and they are not even close to the level of detail as the PC. Than I was actually looking at EA design level on the actual course. The little things aka trim around the water hazards or slopes on the course, or even the bunker method they use. I will be honest, they need someone who cares and is in to the details.....Even Darren Clarke looks terrible.
Back to Oakmont:
I forgot you guys use the terrain program. I can see how that file could be insane. Pittsburgh is very hilly.
I dont really comment on stuff anymore. The thing is with some of these classic courses, your eye for detail needs to be spot on. I am not talking about making the cyber hacker happy either. The goal is to achieve the proper effects in the game. I am not taking about accuracy either. I am talking about advanced game play. I have interviewed several members about the course. The one thing they all say Oakmont is the hardest course to play in the USA.
When you than have that course in a video game. You have to look at what makes it hard. This course has no water on it. The TW player hits the ball better than Tiger in a scamble. Oakmont has 300+ Bunkers, ditches, and insane greens. Tiger was quoted that the Avg 10 handicap would not break 100 at Oakmont.
To me this was the fun part in designing. You need to create USGA effects in to the course. I think you need to create custom textures for some of the gaming features. Next you need to make the landings zones very tight. The thing that makes Oakmont different in my opinion is the game begins around the greens. I vision to play this course in real life you need the best set of soft hands. Even than if you put yourself above the pins aka #2, your dead. Basically it is creating the feature were you are 20 feet from the hole on the wrong side, and if your skills are not on, you can make a number. Now from actually seeing it on TV, the elevations are massive 1-9 are at least 65 to 80 feet. #17 is 45 feet up hill. What about BIG MOUTH on #17, it is like a 15 foot deep bunker.
I have never seen these greens in person, however, I have seen similar types of greens. For example #1 at Oakmont slopes Front to Back which is way diffenet than normal. If you build this correct, you can get the player landing in the middle of the green and shooting the ball off in to the rough. #10 is like the redan hole at Shinnecock. There are a lot of cool features in the greens. Again if you can create double breaks were the ball goes in multi directions, aka the dreaded s-break, you are on your way. #2 is really sloped. Often people have said #3 green is one of the hardest. It slopes off the front and than off the back and down a hill. If that green is firm and you land the ball 2 far on the green, it runs off the back and down the hill. If you hit the ball short, it has a false front which pulls the ball off of it. I guess it comes down to controlling how the balls moves when it hits the ground..
What you need to do on greens like this, is create massive movements in many directions. The green in the CA at first should look like some kind of nightmare. You are building slopes, ridges, fall-offs, general breaks and than anti sloping movement. You are moving so much dirt it is insane. Than you smooth the hell out of it and opt. Than you smooth again...You test, make your adjustments, than after 4 or 5 takes (;maybe more), you may have a green that works, than you drop the green side bunkers. #6 was the hardest one for me.... |
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| Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2008 at
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This was always a cool effect on the course the church pew bunkers. They are easy to make.
Sorry for the pic this was back in the old days when the course had trees.... |
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| Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2008 at
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Chris, we should talk more , lol
THe course isnt that hard to create, its tough to make it hard for tw 08.
For me its for sure its gonne be deep rough all over the place, even around the holes.
Thats the way the members play it there, and not the pri- madonna's, they called them selve pro's..
THere alot off weed roughs that comes into play, on the 5th its even more then the other holes.
land right of th bunker and your be sure to make a bogey or worse.
Thats Oakmont, and i try create it like that.
I wont be happy whit scores like - 10 on expert.
Some of the greens has a 20 feet role back, that you gonne get on my Oakmont.
I have the dvd and 100 pictures, so Chris if you wanne help or do the test, your more then welcome.
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| Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2008 at
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Ron,
Whatever you need...
Using 1 stock texture for the main rough on this course may be really hard or almost impossible to do. The course has 300+ deep faced bunkers. That is a lot of shapes. These bunkers are like edged with grass, almost british style with no sod walls.
Jimi,
You helped me out so much !!! I can't believe this, My DVD player doesn't read disks that well. When my PC was almost in the grave. I backed up all my files on DVD. Now the DVD was never complete so the player would not read it. I did 8 DVD's of stuff. 2 Didn't work that was my TW backup stuff. So some how today, using a back up DVD player, I got lucky and openned the DVD. It is weird cause the disk reads nothing. Even now it reads nothing. But some how I pulled all my old courses off of it. I really thought I lost Shinnecock forever..
I also forgot I need to disable my firewall and that kind of stuff in order to run the TW disk...So I may re-try that later in the week. |
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| Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2008 at
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| Youre welcome, Chris. Ron if you need any help with structures and the like, just let me know. |
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| Posted: Friday, December 5, 2008 at
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| Oakmont is going to be released on Monday december 8. |
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| Posted: Friday, December 5, 2008 at
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| Thanks for the update! |
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