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Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2007 at 8:06:50 PM | IP Logged

Hi All,

I have 2 questions about downloading courses:

1. Why are we limited to 80.00 MB when the myzip folder says it can hold up to 100?

2. Id like to download several of the Hyno designs courses but they are all over 80 MB, even when I take out a number of libraries which I already have installed in my game.

I was just curious how others have downloaded these courses?

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Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2007 at 8:31:15 PM | IP Logged

You can always download the libs. one at a time. 
 
 
 
 

 
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Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2007 at 8:54:59 PM | IP Logged

Hi Eagle,

I was trying to avoid that, but if thats the only way, so be it.

Actually having just read about the contreversey Hyno caused around here, and reading several complaints about his courses crashing, Im not so sure I need them anymore )

Thanks,
Mahlon 
 
 
 
 

 
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I myself have never had any kind of problems including crashing with any of his courses, but maybe that is just me. I have not played any of them online though, perhaps that is where the problem is? 
 
 
 
 

 
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Posted: Saturday, July 28, 2007 at 9:43:43 PM | IP Logged

you dont have to do each library 1 at a time, just split in half, (of course you have to put 2nd part in a new folder) 
 
 
 
 

 
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edited by: eagls628 on Saturday, July 28, 2007 at 10:29:00 PM add
 

birdsandboges said:
"you dont have to do each library 1 at a time, just split in half, (of course you have to put 2nd part in a new folder)"


How would you go about doing that? I thought that when you create a zip folder all the libs. for that course(except for the ones you previously downloaded here) all go into that folder.

oops, I didnt realize until just now that you dont have to put all the libraries in one zip folder. 
 
 
 
 

 
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mahlon said:
"Hi Eagle,

I was trying to avoid that, but if thats the only way, so be it.

Actually having just read about the contreversey Hyno caused around here, and reading several complaints about his courses crashing, Im not so sure I need them anymore )

Thanks,
Mahlon"


Well these courses were all removed from this site cause of the contreversey......Even if u dont need em, to get them working, It is pretty simple, turn the TREE ANIMATION DETAILS OFF, than set the Trees to medium.......It is pretty much the same for 07.

Actually, I dont even need them anymore also............... 
 
 
 
 

 
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Hyno Designs said:
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mahlon said:
"Hi Eagle,

I was trying to avoid that, but if thats the only way, so be it.

Actually having just read about the contreversey Hyno caused around here, and reading several complaints about his courses crashing, Im not so sure I need them anymore )

Thanks,
Mahlon"


Well these courses were all removed from this site cause of the contreversey......Even if u dont need em, to get them working, It is pretty simple, turn the TREE ANIMATION DETAILS OFF, than set the Trees to medium.......It is pretty much the same for 07.

Actually, I dont even need them anymore also..............."


Im confused, if your courses were removed then what are they still doing on here? Also, why do they have to turn the tree animation and details way down or off just to play your courses?

Correct me if Im wrong but if a designer were to plant correctly, wouldnt there be no reason to have to adjust the settings before u play? Call me crazy but having animated trees that look like trees and not just mush is one of the things that make the courses stand out. 
 
 
 
 

 
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Posted: Thursday, August 9, 2007 at 9:47:29 AM | IP Logged

Alright than I will call you Crazy.....

Peace.......... 
 
 
 
 

 
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Posted: Thursday, August 9, 2007 at 10:20:54 AM | IP Logged

Anyway, the problem is not my courses, it is the game itself, easports needs to accommodate and make the game handle more. Granted the fan base here is happy to get all these 07 courses, but lets not forget we don’t even have CA program. Instead of fighting, we need the makers of the game (EASPORTS) to improve and enhance what the architect can put in the custom designs. It just seems that these types of add-ons(custom courses) are not a major priority of EASPORTS. Before some start going off on tagents. yea u can make a simple course that works fine, and yea u can make a good course with a few extras. But lets not forget what u could do in 05, now in 06 and 07, it did go backwards. 
 
 
 
 

 
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Posted: Thursday, August 9, 2007 at 3:23:59 PM | IP Logged

The customs this yr, for the most part, have been anything but simple and most better than just good. I would say that as a whole this yrs customs have been far better than 04, 05 and 06.

There has been a decline, like you say, in the availabilty of choices designers have in adding things to their courses. I believe though, that this decline is actually the reason for the better courses. Now its not just as easy to throw together a bunch of stuff on a plot and release it to the public.

There is a ton of work involved in getting things to look good, and function w/i the limits of game. That is what weeds people out. Its not just the goofs who dont make courses anymore either. Many of the best designers there are just dont feel like messing with it anymore also.

The point is, whether you cant or just dont want to, if your going to design now you have to adapt to what works. If you dont you end up with courses like yours. I dont mean that in a bad way either. You are still stuck in 05.

You know the limits have declined because you said it, you just dont seem to want to accept it. You can claim its the games fault all you want, and in a way your right, but in the end the responsibility falls on your shoulders to either accept what we have now, or just dont design anymore. Its Eas fault that they havent kept up or improved but its your fault you havent either. 
 
 
 
 

 
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Posted: Thursday, August 9, 2007 at 5:25:17 PM | IP Logged

The biggest difference between TW05 compared to TW06/07 is that the game renders the entire golf course, rather than just the hole that youre playing. So that makes a huge difference when designing a course and how much eye candy it can handle. My favorite course from TW05 was Justastiffys Bali but at 25 MB it just wont work in TW06/07, especially with all those high poly count structures on the course.

Now courses need careful optimizing to keep the point count down and can handle only a limited amount of objects/structures. Sometimes its a delicate balance, but its very much do-able. I agree with Big that there have been plenty of great customs this year considering the constraints of the CA. 
 
 
 
 

 
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Posted: Thursday, August 9, 2007 at 7:54:10 PM | IP Logged

edited by: Hyno Designs on Thursday, August 9, 2007 at 7:54:00 PM Spelling
 
I am not saying the courses went backwards, it is the opposite they have gotten much better. For sure it is a heck of a lot harder in 07. The constraints are there for sure. If someone wanted to make a course with 4 or 5 holes with railroad tie water hazards the game would not render it. The water reflections or water in general in 07 is just terrible. We need to wait to see what 08 brings it should be interesting.

Homeboy, nice job on Shinnecock and Royal Country they were fun to play.
 
 
 
 
 

 
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Posted: Thursday, August 9, 2007 at 10:54:30 PM | IP Logged

I have never used that feature. Not sure why u would need 100Megs to download anyway. You click on a lib for example, Augusta Structures and download it. When it is used on more than 1 course you already have that lib and dont need it again. Sometimes new courses come out with 2 or 3 new libs and it is pretty easy to just click on the libs and download them. Than with the CL TOOL, and SETUP TOOL, you manage your libs for the game. Hope that helps....... 
 
 
 
 

 
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Posted: Thursday, August 9, 2007 at 11:36:19 PM | IP Logged

edited by: Gunpower61 on Friday, August 10, 2007 at 8:08:00 AM correction
 
Very true hyno, heck I seldom need 30mb downloads at a time. Whats keeping me restrained from making 07 courses, is the water reflections like you stated. Granted my video card is a long shot by video card present day standards, at least in 06 the water details look attractive. Giving kudos to the many courses I have played in 07, designing courses is a craft you learn and not a gift. Id like to thank the designers.....for their talents, for making free enjoyment to many, and just being a fellow lover of the great game of golf. Also to coursedownloads...the admins(dont want to leave anyone out by name) ...for quick uploading of courses and pointing out goof-ups lol( I know I did a few). Peace! 
 
 
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 at 8:10:35 AM | IP Logged

edited by: Gunpower61 on Friday, August 10, 2007 at 8:20:00 AM
 
The correct limit for Myzipfile is: 80MB
It shows 100MB, but the correct current limit is: 80MB.

When myzip file is for example 90MB, the best thing you can do is split in two MYzip files of 45MB.
For example when you have custom course of 90MB, with course file+10 libraries.
Create zipfile with only 6 libraries selected.Download Myzipfile (6 libraries) and install in game with CLsetup.
When finished create new MYzipfile with course file+other 4 libraries selected. Download MYzipfile(course+4 libraries) and install in game with CLsetup. 
 
 
 
 

 
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 at 9:57:59 PM | IP Logged

PeanutWoods, I don’t know what the water looks like on your PC, but in general it just doesn’t reflex like it used to. If u set the water to high, it looks ok with certain game settings (Sunrise and Sunset). This picture shows the water reflections of 05 compared to 07. Also, in the 05 picture those railroad ties will not show up in 07. 
 
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major difference....the left shot is what I get in 06 w/out the ripples of course cuz heck, my video card wont even allow me to use the high setting. Oh well someday i will invest in a nice decent card that is xp compatible. Keep up the good work sir. 
 
 
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Hi, I have to say I am not nearly as good as designing as most of the guys typing here, but I enjoy releasing courses all the same. When me and my friends created
The Oddity (Doom Course) we got stuck at the end of the course because we had maxed out everything the CA could do so we werent able to take off some of the things that made this course too hard, for instance, the green sloping coudnt be cut down because we couldnt any further optimize detail because wed already had to do it many times before and there wasnt anything left to optimize anymore. The poly count was too high. So now you can only play it on very wet. Darn... its hard to create a good course but when you release it it feels like youve really accomplished something because you have to work so hard to make it just right.
That is what keeps me making courses. 
 
 
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Quoted by Quinlan...Darn... its hard to create a good course but when you release it it feels like youve really accomplished something because you have to work so hard to make it just right.
That is what keeps me making courses.

This quote by Quinlan really sums it up for me also. I couldnt have said it better. Some designers use testers and thats fine and dandy. I pretty much just really get into what Im doing on my own personal level. I will create a couple holes and check it out in the game as i play it. Studying and looking for those dreaded spike marks and hills not quite smoothed enough. Then I go back in the CA and know exactly where it is and try to fix it.

No course is completely flawless(as witnessed to the stock courses) and granted you are gonna miss some things, and eluding to Quinlan quote, the end result and satisfaction of one work keeps me trying and coming back with some new ideas. I simply love what I do. Peace. 
 
 
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