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I know this question has been asked several ways on the forum and I have a pretty good idea where to start, but I would like to get under the hood and discover exactly how to adjust PGA players average scores and number of birdies in order for a player to shoot between -10 and -15 in a tournament and then how much to adjust the same player to get them to shoot -20 to -25. I know Bangus has developed his list of CPU Opponents back in 2008 but that leaves many current day players off the list like Kaymer, McElroy, etc. I would like to add these new players to the updated and regular lists but want to slot them in the list appropriately.
If you look at PGA stats, most players average scores between 69 and 73 and number of birdies between 4 and 7 per round. I guess I'm trying to figure out a scaling method to add new players to the original lists Bangus developed?
Much thanks in advance for any help anyone can provide...
I suspect many who play TW 2007 PGA Custom Tours would like to keep these lists up-to-date too... |
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Speak of the devil... :) l, one option would be to load up the files in-game and take a look at various players' attributes. Then assign similar attributes to any new players you're wanting to create.
I can't remember the formula I used at the time, but it's pretty basic. When calculating CPU scoring, the game programming seems to take average round score and birdies into consideration, and not much else. For a Phil Mickelson-level player, assign similar round and birdie scores that Phil has. Etc.
Tiger is the only player file that none of that applies to. EA made him a golfing god, and all his attributes have to be set using a different rating scale. |
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| Posted: Monday, January 10, 2011 at
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Thanks so much for the reply...
I know you have done a great deal of work in this area and I was trying to update and refine your lists with current day PGA and European Tour stars. I just completed a 4 season statistical analysis of 185 pros and found that average scores range from 69 to 73 and average number of birdies between 2.9 and 4.1....
That is a pretty tight range and averaging reduces much of the variation between touring pros. I will attempt to load some of your files into the game and check your settings so that I can add the new young guns and reset some of the new hot pros like Dustin Johnson. I hope to continue to play custom tours as long as we can keep Tiger Woods 2007 alive and kicking with changes to Windows 7 operating systems.
Thanks for taking time to respond .
By the way. Can you take the ole Tiger Woods file out of your lists and create new ones based on his last 4 year average scores and number of birdies??? |
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| Posted: Monday, January 10, 2011 at
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>>By the way. Can you take the ole Tiger Woods file out of your lists and create new ones based on his last 4 year average scores and number of birdies???<<
Glad to help. Yes, I created a whole new Tiger with my 08 Opponents file, and I even edited his looks in case a person ended up playing him in a seasonal match play event or what have you.
The thing with Tigers file is his average round score has to be set perhaps 4-5 strokes higher than other top players, in order for him to shoot realistic scores. Otherwise hell win every tourney with scores of -30. But even raising his average round score doesnt necessarily prevent him from winning an inordinate number of tourneys. The game programming simply isnt entirely consistent in that regard.
The thing I suggest with Tiger is to test various versions of his file by simulating a season and then checking to see who the tourney winners are. I did that probably a couple dozen times with his file. I just kept adjusting his average round score by a tenth of a point or so until he stopped golfing like a god and started averaging 5-6 tourney wins each year. |
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| Posted: Monday, January 10, 2011 at
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Thanks again for commenting.
Your 2008 files were a great starting point for playing custom season tours and it saved many of us countless hours of testing. I know many on this forum are very grateful for your efforts and suggestions.
I will take everything you have given me and try and improve my set of opponents and include many of the new pros that have emerged over the last 3 years.
We'll see where this leads.
Thanks again....
It's time to start a new season's tour and I only hope I can win a few.... |
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| Posted: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at
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"Thanks again for commenting.
Your 2008 files were a great starting point for playing custom season tours and it saved many of us countless hours of testing. I know many on this forum are very grateful for your efforts and suggestions." |
Thanks lau4sta, I appreciate that. If you need assistance figuring out how to view CPU players' attributes, I might be able to help. |
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| Posted: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at
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Hi again lau4sta.
Did a little bit of testing. I was able to access the CPU Opponents files and view the attributes I set for them. Heres a breakdown of Phil Mickelsons birdies and average score attributes:
CPU Opponents 3.13 birdies, 70.25 average score
CPU Opponents Edited Scoring 5.50 birdies, 66.50 average score
And just to compare and confirm what I was saying before, here are Tigers attributes:
CPU Opponents 5.50 birdies, 71.25 average score
CPU Opponents Edited Scoring 5.50 birdies, 69.75 average score
Again, if you want to create a new player with scoring ability similar to Phil for example, just plug in that players PGA stats in all catagories except average score and birdies. For his average score and birdie attributes, type in something similar to Phils attributes in those two catagories, and you should be good to go.
You may or may not know that you can view any CPU Opponents attributes by pasting the plr file into the Documents/TW 08/Career/Players folder. Then start the game up, making sure a different player profile is loaded. Choose to start a custom stroke game, and when you get to the player select screen, highlight the CPU Opponent player you wish to view (;left side of the screen). His attributes will be available to view via the COMPUTERS ABILITY tab in the middle of the screen. |
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| Posted: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at
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You're the best, Bangus...
Thanks for all your help, suggestions, & assistance.
I tried some of what you were suggestion last evening and I think I have it down now.
Just a quick, question. I have been using your files in TW2007 since that is where I play custom seasons. Can I also modify and review attributes in TW2007 similar to TW2008? I have not noticed your files having problems running in TW2007 so far...
I know I've been tinkering with Rory McElroy in TW2007 and I can set attributes once I get him to a CPU player. I figure I can then save his plr file and copy over to the players folder.
Thanks again for the help. Custom Tour Season is coming up soon... |
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| "Just a quick, question. I have been using your files in TW2007 since that is where I play custom seasons. Can I also modify and review attributes in TW2007 similar to TW2008? I have not noticed your files having problems running in TW2007 so far..." |
I have not tested these files in 07. I played 08 all this time. I actually just purchased 06 and installed it yesterday, and am in the process of installing courses to create a custom season. One of my next projects was to see if my CPU Opponent files work in 06. Good to know they work in 07 though.
I'd really like to redo all the CPU Opponent players again. I'd like to edit their appearance and equipment this time around, something I didn't do with my 08 file.
Thanks for the kind words, lau4sta. |
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I've set up custom seasons in TW2006 & TW2007 thru TW2006 and I think I like the graphics and engine better in TW2007. I also know that many of the custom courses in 2008 will work fine in TW2007 but not so much in TW2006. I did install the patch and then put the old setting.tsf file back in so that the physics on ball lie work much better with water detail. With the plethora of TW2007 and TW2008 real courses, it's a snap to set up a season that follows the PGA tour. Not so much the European tour though.
Thanks for all your help and willingness to provide support.
Links and Tiger Woods on the PC is still going strong. |
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Oh, I'll spill on why I'm keen on being able to adjust the cpu opponents files. I just want to be able to win a tournament if I play really well not just win all the time. I just enjoy the challenge of trying to win and leave it at that.
Good luck at setting up your custom tour and if you need any help, maybe I can return the favors you provided to me... |
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| Posted: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 at
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>>Good luck at setting up your custom tour and if you need any help, maybe I can return the favors you provided to me...<<
Hi lau4sta. On your advice I went out and purchased TW 07 last night. Im in the process of installing 08 courses (;very nice!) and just finished reading your tutorial on getting the career editor to run in 07. So call us even in the help-each-other dept. ;;)
You mentioned a patch for 07 that improves physics, and something about the setting.tsf file along with water detail. Whats all that about if you dont mind me asking?
07 is an improvement graphics-wise over 06, just as you said. It also plays better;; the putting in particular isnt as hyper-sensitive. Thanks for the advice, it was a worthwhile purchase. |
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There was a patch developed for TW2007 because the ball physics on hills and sideways lies did not function in the original version. The patch did fix the ball physics and a few other items but left problems with water detail. There were some comments in the forum about backing up the original setting.tsf file and copying over the file after the patch has been applied. I think that even copying over the settings file, I still have to set water detail down in setting for it to look realistic.
I do think you will enjoy TW2007 much better for custom tours. I have had very little problems playing all of the lasted TW2008 custom courses. PGAX courses seem to work well and even some the TW2008 stock courses will work just fine.
You will notice that tree movements and detail is not nearly as good in TW2007 but being able to develop and play a custom tour outweights graphics candy in my opinion. EA Sports not including a Career Editor in TW2008 was a signal to me that they were beginning to eliminate the platform for development.
Good Luck! and let me know if I can help you set anything up for tournament play. |
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Thanks for that info. The ball physics in 07 seem fine to me, so maybe I have a later copy that was already patched.
I've been playing several 08 courses today in 07 while testing out the career editor -- fantastic! Thanks for the heads up and advice. I'm not a graphics hound either, but the I think 07 looks great anyway. |
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I think I know you better so I know you will do this but it pays to check out each course you plan to use in custom tournaments just to make sure they function well with your computer and graphics card. It is very disheartening to end up halfway thru a custom tour season and then begin a tournament and find a course doesn't work. That has happened to me seveal times so I now know pretty much which courses I will always have good luck with. I've finished 3 complete 36 tournament tours now and TW2007 still rocks.
I was a long time Links player and TW2007 is by far the best version available if you just like to play offline, no quarrels, and no cheating. |
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| "I think I know you better so I know you will do this but it pays to check out each course you plan to use in custom tournaments just to make sure they function well with your computer and graphics card. It is very disheartening to end up halfway thru a custom tour season and then begin a tournament and find a course doesn't work." |
Great minds think alike, lau4sta! I've been spending my morning doing just that. I install an 08 course in 07 and 06, then I create a single event season file using that one course. I then fire up 07, quickly create a new player, and then jump to my newly created custom season to make sure it plays okay.
Have to say I'm loving the looks and gameplay of 07 over 06. Thanks again. |
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| Posted: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 at
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Bangus,you the man when comes to creating CPU players, my custom season has a top ten that is pretty close to the real thing, now if i could just crack to top 50 that would be sweet.
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| Posted: Thursday, January 13, 2011 at
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Bangus,you the man when comes to creating CPU players, my custom season has a top ten that is pretty close to the real thing, now if i could just crack to top 50 that would be sweet.
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Ha-ha! Thanks LA. I've never come close to the top 50 either. In fact, one and only time I ever cracked the top 10 was back in the mid-90s on an EA golf game that was made for one of those Sega sytems. |
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