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| I was thinking that Tiger Woods probs in real life might well effect any future EA Sports involvement and they may pull the plug on him, as they would not want to be seen to endorse him with his problems so not only the PC 2010 Version might be pulled but ALL of the games might go down the pan, what does everyone thing on it? |
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| "I was thinking that Tiger Woods probs in real life might well effect any future EA Sports involvement and they may pull the plug on him, as they would not want to be seen to endorse him with his problems so not only the PC 2010 Version might be pulled but ALL of the games might go down the pan, what does everyone thing on it?" |
I think nobody, until the actual facts come out (not what you are hearing on radio or TV, that is all speculation not based on fact), should be doing anything.
For that matter, the ONLY part of any of this that was -news- AT ALL was that he had a car accident (even that is pushing the limits of being -news-). The rest of it is his personal life, whether any of it happened or not (again - all we have is speculation - no facts).
I see he announced yesterday an indefinite leave of absence. That is too bad too. The tour will miss him out there and quite frankly, I would not be surprised to see ticket sales to PGA events drop dramatically in tournaments that he played previously that he misses this year.
Regardless of how things turn out with the facts (which again, regardless of what they are - that is his business and no one elses), EA would be foolish to pull the plug on him at all.
On a closing note Phil, even your post, ASSUMES that what you have heard/seen on radio/tv is fact. We do not know that yet. As far as 2010 game - after all the beta testing with Tiger Woods Online (which if you did not know, is the future of the game - there is not a specific -PC- version coming out nor was there ever going to be one), I do not see them just stopping it suddenly - actually I am expecting the next Beta to be announced soon and see what they have updated/changed/improved upon from the previous releases (4 or 5 or however many it has been now - LOL). |
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One thing I disagree on. If the facts turn out that he is a lying cheating bum, then it in fact is not his business, as he is/was a huge role model for a lot of people as a superstar and should conduct himself accordingly at all times. As a role model you have certain obligations and as a man you do to..
You may be right about the plug pulling PhilT.
But like you say, lets wait till we know for sure before we make any decisions..
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"One thing I disagree on. If the facts turn out that he is a lying cheating bum, then it in fact is not his business, as he is/was a huge role model for a lot of people as a superstar and should conduct himself accordingly at all times. As a role model you have certain obligations and as a man you do to..
You may be right about the plug pulling PhilT.
But like you say, lets wait till we know for sure before we make any decisions..
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I guess we can agree to disagree on that point. My reasoning: Regardless of what he does in his PERSONAL life, he is/was a superstar in the golfing world and that is all that we should care about.
Perhaps that is a sign of the changing times. Who knows. Something like this happens say 20 years ago, then yes, that -higher standard- thing was probably more in play, not just in golf, but for any high-profile person (remember Magic Johnson?).
Having seen the various opinion polls that are out there, again probably a sign of times changed, that a wide majority of people plain and simple do not care and/or agree with me that it is his personal business, regardless of how it turns out, and are only concerned with how he hits the golf ball.
That -changed times- theory was never more in evidence than it was with Bill Clinton. For the most part, all people were concerned with was how the USA was being run. The -polls- that were conducted after he left office (why they asked the question, who knows, but it was asked) simply put - the American people would have overwhelmingly voted him in for a 3rd term, regardless of the facts that surrounded him (again - just based on the polls that were conducted).
Only time will tell what actually happened in the case of Tiger. You seemed to agree that we need to know the facts of it all, however, regardless of whether it turns out to be totally nothing, the damage to him has already been done in that the press has already so-to-speak -convicted- him by reporting not the news, but by reporting all the speculation, which again, is not news because it is not based on any facts.
It is unfortunate that people are formulating opinions based soley on speculation, again, a sign of changing times. |
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I was thinking that Tiger Woods probs in real life might well effect any future EA Sports involvement and they may pull the plug on him
I doubt it. All he did was sleep with dozens of women while married. It's not like he was involved in dog fighting.
Plus the fact EA makes mucho $$$ off the guy. They're not stupid. :) |
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"I was thinking that Tiger Woods probs in real life might well effect any future EA Sports involvement and they may pull the plug on him
I doubt it. All he did was sleep with dozens of women while married. It's not like he was involved in dog fighting.
Plus the fact EA makes mucho $$$ off the guy. They're not stupid. :)" |
LOL - guess that is what I was talking about. You are assuming that everything these women are coming out and saying is true.
One thing I forgot to mention in my lengthy -soapbox- post. While I know eventually because of the way things are, we will probably know about the truth of this whole thing. And AXE, I am not picking on you here, just using something you said - If the facts turn out that he is a lying cheating bum, then...... -
The only way for us to find that out (even if the phrasology was a bit harsh) is by it being reported to us. Why does ANYONE need/have a right to even know the truth of the whole thing. It is his own PERSONAL LIFE - it is NONE of our or anybody elses (except his) business.
The only thing that is really news here at this point (OK - guess it not news because it happens all the time now) is the irresponsible journalism being displayed by the entire media circle. |
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One thing I disagree on. If the facts turn out that he is a lying cheating bum
He's already admitted to "infidelity." Case closed as far as that goes. |
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All things considered, in my opinion, Tiger at his age when this all began, with the amount of wealth and fame, has handled it well.
One needs to remember he is human and YOUNG! In the end, I hope, if there is such a thing anymore, forgiveness. |
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"One thing I disagree on. If the facts turn out that he is a lying cheating bum
He's already admitted to "infidelity." Case closed as far as that goes." |
If he did admit to it - so what - he didn't have to say anything - and probably should not have - again - HIS BUSINESS - no one elses |
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| "]To admit to guilt is the first step to finding ones self my friend." |
I do not disagree there however, it only needed to be admitted to himself and the man up above. Again, it is/was still nobody's business but his own. He was/is not under ANY obligation to the press, the general public or anyone else. His private/pesonal business should be exactly that - private and personal and all of us, whether you liked him or not on the golf course, should leave it at that - how you feel about him on the golf course - and this sequence of events should have no impact at all on how he is thought of.
We can only hope for the best. But I guess I need to ask it, how would YOU feel, in his shoes, regardless if what was being said was true or not (and yes, I'm referring to the time when this first came out when NOBODY knew for sure what was going on), if you were being crucified in the media like he was?
My whole point in all the posts I have made on the issue is not whether he did anything wrong or not, but more to the point of -why does it matter to anyone besides him and the people directly involved-, and I still would like an answer to that. |
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he is/was a huge role model for a lot of people as a superstar and should conduct himself accordingly at all times. As a role model you have certain obligations
I understand the concept here as it's applied to a lot of athletes. But I disagree when it comes to Tiger. He was never promoted as a public role model. He's intensely and intentially private. He's a corporation. He sells golf equipment, razor blades and sports drinks.
Have you read stories of him donating time to charity or to sick kids? Have you seen photos and read write-ups of him and his family attending public events? Have you heard him share his personal opinions on family and life? The answer is no. He's all about the PGA and business of selling and nothing else.
The reason the story of his infidelities is of interest to many is because it's the first glimpse people have had into the real person and his world beyond golf. |
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| Posted: Sunday, December 13, 2009 at
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I understand the concept here as its applied to a lot of athletes. But I disagree when it comes to Tiger. He was never promoted as a public role model. Hes intensely and intentially private. Hes a corporation. He sells golf equipment, razor blades and sports drinks.
Have you read stories of him donating time to charity or to sick kids? Have you seen photos and read write-ups of him and his family attending public events? Have you heard him share his personal opinions on family and life? The answer is no. Hes all about the PGA and business of selling and nothing else.
The reason the story of his infidelities is of interest to many is because its the first glimpse people have had into the real person and his world beyond golf." |
May I suggest checking this for starters. Pay particular attention to the last sentence in this article.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/11/sportsline/main1307674.shtml
Not trying to argue with you bud. I just feel he has let down a lot of people. His wife may well forgive him, and that is their business. But there is a public side to this, whether you agree or not, as well there should be.. |
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May I suggest checking this for starters. Pay particular attention to the last sentence in this article... there is a public side to this, whether you agree or not, as well there should be.
Okay, I see what you mean. And I also understand why people are interested in all this. For me personally though, he never let me down. I dont build other people up into something special. From my perspective, hes just another guy who screwed around on his wife, and who let money and fame get the better of him. Sports, politics and show business is full of people like that. |
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| "Sports, politics and show business is full of people like that." |
You got that right...
I can understand that the temptations for high profile celebrities is way beyond anything I or your normal person will ever experience, with women constantly throwing themselves at them...
Everyone makes mistakes...some more than others...and if he weren't high profile as he is, we have never known about it...
But, IMO, even with that said... If he can't remain faithful, he shouldn't have gotten married.
But I will still watch him when he returns,as he is still my favorite golfer, and will continue to play the game without prejudice... |
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I can understand that the temptations for high profile celebrities is way beyond anything I or your normal person will ever experience
I hear you, but I honestly dont believe thats a valid excuse. A lot of the temptation stuff takes place in bars and clubs. I stopped going to bars and clubs in my mid-twenties. And I have a partner, and when I go out, I want her to come with me. Thats what being in a relationship is about. Tiger sitting in clubs with Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley and whomever, is him going and looking for temptation. And its him avoiding his relationship with his wife and family. |
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| Oh I agree... I wasn't trying to justify it.... :) |
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| There's nothing wrong with going to the club or out with your friends without your wife......that comments like saying you cant go golfing with your buddies cause the beer girl might tempt you. |
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| So many replies here, but all for the wrong subject! its okay if Woods does what he wants in his life its up to him, but the original question was will sponsors pull out from him, and so far that is what is happening very fast, so therefore if EAsports pull out on him that leaves us here with no 2010 PC game...thats what I was getting at. |
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