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| Posted: Sunday, March 9, 2008 at
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| I was watching the final round of the PODS tourney this afternoon. I saw Stewart Cink hit the ball in the water on his tee shot on the 16th hole, which is a par 4. When he hit his second shot, which technically was his 3rd due to the penalty, he was hitting from the FAIRWAY. On this game we play, if you hit your tee shot in the water, or ANY shot in the water, it lays you out into the rough. So, basically, its like getting penalized twice. I realize that the shot is placed or dropped where it last crossed the hazard, but if they get to hit from the fairway in real PGA Tour play, then are we getting penalized even more than what they are on tour? Your penalty is the stroke you lost by hitting a bad, unplayable shot. The only way to hit from the fairway for your approach to the green, (in this game) is if you choose to rehit your tee shot and hope its in the fairway. But you are stll laying 3 (in the fairway) versus laying 3 in the rough. Does this make any sense? |
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| Posted: Sunday, March 9, 2008 at
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| It is only a double whammy if you choose to take the default drop spot that the program gives you. If you move your cursor over your golfer you get a cursor that allows you to pull your golfer back further for the drop if you choose to. I usually try to pull him back far enough so Im hitting from the fairway and not the rough if at all possible. So it is not a given that you have to drop into rough. |
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| Posted: Sunday, March 9, 2008 at
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| Ok, that may help some. But if it is in the PGA rules that the player gets a free drop in the fairway, the game default should be automatically set to a fairway drop, as per PGA rules. JMO. |
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| Posted: Sunday, March 9, 2008 at
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| well thats not quite true the golfer in real life can drop the ball anywhere back from where the ball crossed the hazard so all golfers go back to the best spot to hit the ball usually the fairway but theres nothing stopping them to drop the ball in the rough and hitting from there (highly unlikely) its the same in the game, it gives you the option you can drop it in the rough or you can go back down the fairway and drop there, you get the choice which is the main thing and the correct option. |
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| Posted: Sunday, March 9, 2008 at
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that a ball that has not been found is in a water hazard (whether
the ball lies in water or not), the player may under penalty
of one stroke:
a. Play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which
the original ball was last played (see Rule 20-5) or
b. Drop a ball behind the water hazard, keeping the point
at which the original ball last crossed the margin of
the water hazard directly between the hole and the spot
on which the ball is dropped, with no limit to how far
behind the water hazard the ball may be dropped or
perhaps a reading of the actual rule would help
it does not say
TW places the ball correctly (usually), its up to you to play within the rule and move it (back) to where you want as jeff indicated earlier |
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| Posted: Sunday, March 9, 2008 at
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| As im sure everyone has noticed that designs courses. It is very easy to forget to chekc allow drop, which would cause the problem of not being able to drop in the fairway. |
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| Posted: Sunday, March 9, 2008 at
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| edited by: poohween on
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| Well, the only thing I am saying, is that we should get the same privilege as they get on the real tour. Regardless of what the game default is. Sometimes no matter how far you move it back, you still may not in the fairway. I havent seen anyone on tour hit out of the rough on their next shot after the penalty stroke. They hit it from the fairway and I think that is the proper ruling. Afterall, you have already been assessed a stroke, so you should be able to hit from a clean lie. That is why they refer to it as a relief from a hazard. Hitting from 4 inches of rough isnt relief, IMO. |
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| Posted: Monday, March 10, 2008 at
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The only time you are entitled to drop in the fairway is if the fairway is on a line between the point where the ball crossed the margin of a hazard. See example below. The other deviation from this is if it is a lateral hazard. Any hazard marked with yellow stakes plays as JB posted above.
As additional options available only if the ball last crossed the margin of a lateral water hazard, drop a ball outside the water hazard within two club-lengths of and not nearer the hole than (i) the point where the original ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard or (ii) a point on the opposite margin of the water hazard equidistant from the hole.
Lateral Water Hazard
A lateral water hazard is a water hazard or that part of a water hazard so situated that it is not possible, or is deemed by the Committee to be impracticable, to drop a ball behind the water hazard in accordance with Rule 26-1b. All ground and water within the margin of a lateral water hazard are part of the lateral water hazard.
When the margin of a lateral water hazard is defined by stakes, the stakes are inside the lateral water hazard, and the margin of the hazard is defined by the nearest outside points of the stakes at ground level. When both stakes and lines are used to indicate a lateral water hazard, the stakes identify the hazard and the lines define the hazard margin. When the margin of a lateral water hazard is defined by a line on the ground, the line itself is in the lateral water hazard. The margin of a lateral water hazard extends vertically upwards and downwards.
A ball is in a lateral water hazard when it lies in or any part of it touches the lateral water hazard.
Stakes used to define the margin of or identify a lateral water hazard are obstructions.
Note 1: That part of a water hazard to be played as a lateral water hazard must be distinctively marked. Stakes or lines used to define the margin of or identify a lateral water hazard must be red.
Note 2: The Committee may make a Local Rule prohibiting play from an environmentally-sensitive area defined as a lateral water hazard.
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| Posted: Monday, March 10, 2008 at
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| Id have to say thats one of the best explantions I have ever seen on this forum in regards to the rules of Golf. |
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| Posted: Monday, March 10, 2008 at
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| Great visual explanation. I understand the ruling thanks to the picture. I guess we/I need more fairway:0). |
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| Posted: Monday, March 10, 2008 at
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| It seems wether out on the course, or in the game this is the most mis understood rule that happens to almost every player quite often. What the game does is give you the std 2 clubs from the margin. It is up to the player to select where on the line back they yould like to play the shot. I am glad it was helpful. Chuch keep the ball out of the blue grass and in the short grass, less rule issues there : |
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| Posted: Monday, March 10, 2008 at
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| edited by: eagls628 on
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| I have always been amazed at how many people I have played golf with in real life that dont know the rules of golf. The most common one is the water hazard rule. Another one is when they hit a ball out of bounds, they think they can can just drop the ball in the fairway sideways from where it went out of bounds with a one stroke penalty. Then there are those that flat out refuse to hit a provisional ball when there is a question of whether their first shot went out of bounds or not. Most of the time I just give up and play by their rules. lol |
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| Posted: Monday, March 10, 2008 at
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| Ill keep that in mind Jimbo:0)! Thanks for the de-briefing. |
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