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| Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 at
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| It has now been three months since the release of the TW08 PC game. It has become very obvious to me that Headgate has very little interest in the TW PC gamers and course designers. No Utlities Program, no Career Editor and of course again, no release of the 08 CA. The fact of the matter is that the the 06 CA no longer cuts the mustard in the 08 Platform. Yes, it renders green and fairway textures very well. The rough looks very unatural to me in almost all custom designs. It is either laying over, or too coarse in appearance, not to mention, almost waist high in most instances. The Shader Level, when adjusted to medium or low does at least make the water look somewhat like it should, but falls way short of the appearance of the water in the 08 Stock Courses. TPC Boston is a perfect example of terrific water and what the 08 CA is capable of rendering. Furthermore, I will not play any custom courses under anything but calm conditions. When set to Breezy, I have big Oak and Pine Trees trunks bending like they were made of rubber. I have numerous tree branches that look like jousting poles (spiked at the end), and a great number of them free floating and not even connected to the trunks of the trees. I blame all these abnormalities on the absence of the 08 CA in designing custom courses for 08. It is certainly not the fault of the designers, who are doing the best they can with what they have to work with. I think what is happening here should be pretty obvious to everyone. In the past when the CA was released, the custom course designers would continuously create courses far superior to the stock courses that came with the game. By not releasing a CA, Headgate forces the custom designers to come up with work around soloutions to portray their creations. I think this results in stock courses, strictly from a technical standpoint, as being better in appearance. After all, these guys at Headgate are getting paid to create these courses. This is the last TW version for me, until I see a CA released for the corresponding platform. |
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| Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 at
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Headgate is no longer the developer for TW PC. Tiburon Studios (EA Florida) is.
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| Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 at
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| you can blame EA,they hold the purse strings,I doubt we will ever see a new CA( DX9 or 10 based),the cost to build a new CA would be to great,it would be like producing a new game and not charging for it. |
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| Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 at
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| Thanks for the update on the Developer, Divot Maker. The scenario still remains the same however. If you are going to advertise one of the games features as having the ability to create your own custom courses, then in my mind, you should be the proper tools to design these custom courses with. In this case, the latest CA. Anything short of that is just a misrepresentation of the features within the platform. I canot see any logical reason why the 08 CA should not be released. |
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| Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 at
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| I guess I am confused about something here. You mentioned having to build a new CA. Did not the developers use a new CA when they released the 08 game? They surely did not use the 06 CA when they released either the 07 or 08 version, did they? I am not asking them to build a new CA, just provide us with the one they used in the development of the 08 Platform. |
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| Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 at
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| You guys realize that there is a course architect on Tw08 for all the other platforms besides the PC, right? I was playing the Ps2 release of 08 and it had a CA |
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| Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 at
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the developers do not use the same CA as we do,they never have,they use other copywrited software to build the courses.
I only have the 07 box here but it says nothing about making your own courses,I think the last time they mentioned anything about making your own courses was 06. |
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| Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 at
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| there is no CA for any platform version of 08. |
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| Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 at
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| "Thanks for the update on the Developer, Divot Maker. The scenario still remains the same however. If you are going to advertise one of the games features as having the ability to create your own custom courses, then in my mind, you should be the proper tools to design these custom courses with." |
I do not see anything on the TW08 packaging that advertises creating custom courses. |
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| Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 at
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| Yes, you are absolutely right, the last mention of custom course creating was in 06. So I guess the message they are trying to convey is design at your own risk and good luck. If they indeed use different copyrighted software in their stock course design, I would also have to assume they did the same thing in 06 and prior versions. One thing is for sure with the CA in 06, the 06 custom courses did not suffer from many of the abnormalities that appear in the 07 and 08 customs. There is enough talent amongst the members to probably create a custom CA of our own. I for one would be glad to financially support such a venture. I would consider it a great pleasure to rid ourselves of EA Sports and their rediculous policies. |
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| Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 at
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| edited by: Hyno Designs on
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jurgie,
I read what you wrote above. Here is my reply, the 06 CA can do what you need for the game. We are all lucky that someone was able to come up with a way to create an installer program to load custom courses in 08. Your problems are based on your settings, you need to lower or turn off the tree animations, that will rid you of the problems. (It is one of the tree settings I forgot which one) The rough effects are up to the designer of the custom, but in the LC, you can make the rough less dense, hense not as long. Also you should never have the rough set more than medium. (If it gets 2 choppy u can set it to low or even off) On custom courses cause of our structures you need to have the shader set to low. I do agree EA sports has left out our little community. It is sad, maybe if enough people complain about it, something could be done. I dont know.
The problem I get when I load up 08, my sound goes choppy, and than I have to reboot my pc. Personally, for me it takes to long to design, to long to play a round and to much time to figure everything out. Just loading up 08 takes a few minutes. Even using the 06 CA, when you pull current stock trees or bushes out, they are only like a few inches tall, very small, and hard to work with. The CLS program has been coded for the last 2 years, the old panos do not work...The people who bring you the custom courses for this site, do a heck of a lot of work for ya....... |
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| Posted: Friday, November 23, 2007 at
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| Well Hyno, I have always had a lot of repect for you design abilities and have enjoyed all your creations over the past few years. My comments were in no way directed towards any designers or their abilities because I realize that they are doing the best with what is available. I will however have to take acception to your comments in regards to the settings as being the major issue. I have tinkered with all the settings, and nothing changes the appearance of these custom courses in any major way. Furthermore, no setting adjustment diminishes the monsoon like winds which prevail when the conditions are simply just set to Breezy. They also do not elimminate the rubber tree like bending of the bigger trees. Its strange how these abnormalities are barely apparent in the stock courses. Finally, as far as the roughs are concerned, on my system most of the grass lays over and no setting that I have been able to find remedies that. Yet in the stock courses I have never seen the rough displaying that appearance. |
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| Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2007 at
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On the CUSTOM textures ones is limited to creating the grass effects to the library creditor of 2006. In 2008 some of the stock effects have been changed and differs from the past. However to my knowledge, it is not currently possible to duplicate these effects when creating different custom textures. Does that make sense? So what you said above is completely correct.
EaSports has not made the new settings that user friendly they do not explain what the settings actual do. On the Breezy to Stronger winds, I have noticed the effect you speak of. In the past to stop this, you just turned tree animations off. In 08, you have to turn one of the tree settings to low or even off. I don’t recall which setting, but when I was messing around with the 08 game, I was able to stop all trees and bushes moving in stong winds. Just play around with the tree settings, and you will get it to stop. I do agree with you about 08, I have only done 1 course for it and more than likely will not do any more. |
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| Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2007 at
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| Ok I found the setting, if you TURN TREE DISTANCE DETAIL OFF, it shuts off the animations, this picture is strong winds set at Carnoustie, the grass effects look how I created them for the 07 game. The frame rate on my pc for this course is fine and the rough is set to medium. One more thing in your created players, delete out the confidence folder.... |
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| Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2007 at
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I personally think that TW08 is the best version since TW04. Is the game perfect? No, but theres no other game out there that gives me a solid year of replay value for $39.
I get the most enjoyment out of designing and playing the custom designs of others in the community. (I dont think that Ive played all of the stock courses in the game yet.) The 06 CA allows you to do everything you need to do from a designing standpoint. As far as how courses render in the game, its a bit of a give and take. With my video card (8800 GTS), the water looks best on custom designs with the shader level set at medium, but then all structures turn black. So I always play with the shader at low.
As for the trees, I actually like the look of the trees blowing in the wind ... I consider it a significant graphic improvement this year. If you dont like the look, then I suppose you can turn tree detail distance off and they wont move anymore.
With certain video cards (mine included), stock rough textures in custom designs appear to grow at an angle. For this reason alone, I have been using custom textures on my courses even though I know a good number of people like the quality of the stock textures. |
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| Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2007 at
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| With the tree distance detail shut off it does take away from some of the graphics of the trees and bushes, but you dont get that choppy effect and the grass still blows all over the place. I guess it is all give an take. Thanks Homeboy, maybe I will look more in to this 08 game. |
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| Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2007 at
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| Thanks to both of you for the insight. It is good to get a designers perspective on this subject, and it has helped me to get a better understanding of the whys and whatfores as they relate to the 08 platform. |
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| Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at
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My question is WHY WONT THEY GIVE US THE PLUGIN FOR MAYA SO WE CAN CREATE COURSES?
Not asking for documentation, not asking for anything more then a file that we can use to export courses from Maya in the correct format. Although some documentation would be nice.
Now to anyone who can actually pull this off my email is TruBluMich@hotmail.com send it and Ill figure it out from there.
Now has this idea ever been passed around.....yes.
Now if theres no way to get me the plugin for Maya then send me the source code for the CA...No questions asked and no names released. |
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| Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2007 at
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| Amen to that one Tru Blu! |
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